Ward's a more complete fighter than Calzaghe ...

His fast hands didn't prove to be lethal against old man B-Hop.

 

Good job mate, the age difference is a common misconception.

Roy was actually a little older than what you've put too.

He was 39 and almost 10 months. He was around 9 weeks away from being 40.

Joe was about 4 months from his 37th birthday.

But you're right, there was a difference of over three years.

But the POINT is,

Roy had got a lot more miles on the clock.

He'd had more fights, and he'd been to heavyweight and back.

Joe had never put his body through something like that.

Joe was clearly the fresher fighter.

Roy hadn't fought at elite level for 3 years, and he hadn't won at that level for 5 years.

 

Hi there mate,

How have you been?

Looking forward to Froch-Kessler?

I know I am




Why do people get so hung up on the Calzaghe-Jones fight.

Most of his fans don't rate it that highly, I know I don't. It was just a payday fight for both of them end of. Yes Joe got knocked down, but I rate his great recovery powers above his good chin. However, he then got up to dominate the rest of the fight to a near shut out.

As for Joe vs Ward, very tough fight to call as although Ward is exceptionally skilled, Joe is such an unorthodox fighter it's hard for anyone to properly prepare for that.

However, if we were talking prime Joe that while guilty for hanging around Wales for too long despite fighting some good fights, had good power as well as the same workrate I'd give Joe a close UD maybe 116-112 or 115-113 assumng no-oe got KD'd which is entirely possible. Just because despite what people say Ward did indeed gas against Froch and Bika and Joe's stamina is almost unrivaled at SMW which I feel he'll start well and then Ward will get some bearing to take the middle rounds, but Joe will tire him out and finish strong to just pip it.

How do you see it going?

I'll always maintain the only SMW I'd pick to beat Calzaghe is RJJ.


As an aside what do you think about Floyd Mayweather declaring Devon Alexander could be his next fighter?

Unfair on Kell Brook

:|

 

let's not get carried away. prime jones would put twice the beating on everyone ward's beat. that version of dawson comes in the ring against a prime jones...dawson has to get scraped off the canvas and may or may not continue fighting.

he's got a ways to go before you start putting him a level above prime hopkins and jones.

 

Agreed, plus a lot of Calzaghe fans read far to much into the Hopkins fight in relation to Calzaghe's boxing abilities and how he would fare against other fighters. Afterall Jermaine Taylor looked better against a younger Hopkins, yet Calzaghe fans just dismiss that and Calzaghe's much lauded workrate was only enough to earn a debatable SD against a 43-year-old. The people who think Calzaghe wins this easily are the same people who thought Kessler was going to just walk through Ward and knock him out, basically these people don't understand what it is they are looking at when they watch boxing.

 

Great post. Can't really hold those fight against him since they where ages ago. Now he is n#2 p4p and has beaten alot of good opponents.

 

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It isn't so much a matter of his punch resistance improving as he's less apt now to get nailed with stupid ones on the button.

Also, there is some merit to figuring that he can stand up to a little more having filled out and taken on his man-strength since he was 19-21.

I am in no way convinced that Calzaghe's punch resistance at 36 was further removed from where it was at his peak than Ward's at 19-21 is from now.

 

He may be more complete in terms of overall technical ability but that doesn't mean he's a better fighter. Calzaghe has very underrated ring IQ and figured out outboxed and adjusted to Hopkins, who by all standards is a ring genius in his own right, in the second half of their fight. I see Calzaghe giving Ward all he can handle and possibly outworking him to a UD win.

 

:deal Plus Wards dirty tactics wouldn't work on Calzaghe, nor would be stronger, fitter, tougher or faster.

Calzaghe would adapt and Ward would get slapped silly. Jeff Lacy style.
Calzaghe UD or late stoppage. Simply a better fighter.

 

Intangibles do matter, great observation. :good

That said, I think Ward is up there with Calzaghe when it comes to boxing-as-chess and making adjustments on the fly.

 

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You're right Ward can make adjustments with the best of them. IMO his biggest liability isn't his lack of power but rather his lack of great athletic ability, if he had this he would be nearly unbeatable, combined with his already great technical skills. I would slightly favor Calzaghe in this math up because of it.

 

Oh wow, look how funny you are.

I can't wait for someone to up the ante with a clever retort involving "Calslappy"!

Pretty high standard being set in here...

 

Even if Ward beat Wlad he would get no credit from some people. The logic would go something like this; Ward beat Wlad, who lost to Sanders, who lost to Rahman, who lost to Ruiz, who lost to Jones, who lost to Calzaghe.

Ward is just beating Super Joe's leftovers wha: :dance:hammertime

 

Ward is on another level light years above Calslappy its not even a fair comparison.

 

moneypaysbills,

Hi mate, sorry for the late reply. I'm good thanks. Yeah I can't wait for Froch vs Kessler. That should be great!

I think it's just in response to Joe's fans who think it was a really good win.

I have to be honest and say that, I think Joe may have been a little reluctant to fight him, if he was active now. But if they had have fought, and Joe and have boxed to his full capabilities, then it would have been a great fight. I think it would have been close. I can actually envisage both fighters taking the win. I think a lot would depend on the judging too. Joe has always caught the eye with his super fast hands and his work rate, but sometimes when you watched the replay, they weren't clean punches. It may have turned out like the Hopkins fight, where it was quality over quantity.

I think a 100% fit and motivated James Toney, boxing it at his full capabilities could have beaten Joe. But that would have been a big if.

In my opinion, Joe would have had no chance of beating a 25/26 year old, 168 version of Roy. Styles make fights, and I don't even think it would have been close.

What the hell's happening there?

Has Devon faked the bicep injury to negotiate with Floyd? I don't know what's going on. Obviously Devon wouldn't have been able to have fought Kell and then prepared for a May 4th fight with Floyd. There wouldn't be enough time.

Why would Floyd be trying to negotiate with an injured fighter anyway?

I've heard that the fight wouldn't be sanctioned as a unification fight though.

So I don't think the fight will go ahead anyway.

But it's sickening for Kell. He doesn't deserve this.

Hopefully something will get sorted out soon.


Regards, Loudon.