The Official "Is Juan Manuel Marquez on Steroids" Poll thread

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Smokin' Joe, Feb 8, 2013.


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  1. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    /Thread.
     
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  2. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His physical appearance shows absolutely 0 evidence towards any steroid use.
    His changes are EASILY explaineble with any sort of S&C plan that contains weight lifting.

    Anybody that thinks those results are only achieveble with steroids is probably a fat **** that never did any weight lifting.

    Now if you base possible steroid use on his athletic performance lets not forget that his increase in power also came at a cost of a decrease in speed that only got compensated for by his amazing timing.
     
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  3. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    I have heard of "overtraining" in boxing, but that seems to be not on the dictionary of Juan.

    wtf is he eating? I need one too! I tried drinking ****, but **** you im not gonna tell you what it tastes like.
     
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  4. guru059

    guru059 TV Packager Full Member

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    yes
     
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  5. Elite

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  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Aye. :deal Let's not pretend it isn't a rampant thing any more than we should pretend it makes good fighters great.
     
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  7. PhilthyRich

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    If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...

    Also, if you hire a cheater, what do you plan to do...
     
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  8. Smokin' Joe

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    Heredia is a world class S&C coach, a fact backed up Alex Ariza. People would have you believe he's just a 'chemist' and knows nothing about fitness and athletic training. Utter rubbish.

    You're right. If it walks and talks like a duck..

    When a world class S&C coach trains you for 4 months, specifically weight training which they openly talked about and displayed in camp, you're going to get bigger.

    Any reasonable athlete could gain that kind of muscle with 4 months of intense training. Jesus, the gains weren't even that big. He's slightly more defined in areas, shoulders are a little bigger. All this 'Hulk' talk is bull****. Alex Ariza said that himself too.


    Heredia has a shady past, and I understand why appointing him can arouse suspicion, but as he says, he was young and stupid and has left that life behind him.


    Answer me this:

    If Marquez is on these super steroids, how is it that it took him 4 months to gain the physique he did, which remember, isn't even as impressive as people make out. The average training camp is 8-10 weeks. He's slightly more defined with the same shape he always had. If he was on these steroids, it should have taken half the time to build that physique.

    The argument doesn't make sense. Literally the ONLY evidence for it is having Heredia in his camp, even though it's just as likely he was hired for being a good S&C coach as for any other reason.
     
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  9. Back Hand Slap

    Back Hand Slap Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you were 25 or under maybe. At 39 it is very uncommon. I know from real experience man. I think lots of boxers out there are on something. Just don't know anymore.
     
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  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Take any 39 year old who doesn't lift weights and put them on a regimen. Athletes; runner, swimmer, fighter; you'll see a noticeable difference.

    When you're older your metabolism slows and you gain more weight naturally. There's a reason Duran could still punch at 154. Wasn't PED's.
     
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  11. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nobody knows if he has or hasn't, and this poll doesn't mean anything. Anyone who's never caught cheating and has continually passed drug tests deserves the benefit of the doubt, until actual proof is put forward.
     
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  12. manex

    manex Active Member Full Member

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    :deal
     
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  13. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    Obviously nobody knows 100% either way. The poll is to gauge the opinion of the forum in general. No one's going to take the result as a literal answer to the question of whether he's on them or not. The hope is that, once everyone's said their piece and cast their vote, the GF can move on from the petty bickering about it and the posters who post about JMM in derogatory terms over and over, and they know who they are, can move on and discuss current and future events instead of fixating over this.
     
    Smokin' Joe, Feb 8, 2013
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  14. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :good

    And were I a mod, I'd move all PED-Marquez related talk here, or make a super PED thread.
     
    Bogotazo, Feb 8, 2013
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  15. Box702

    Box702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol: at your double standard,So I guess anybody that's connected to one of your fav fighters deserves a second chance but not Memo right?F*cking clown.
     
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