Add wins to make the greatest of all time

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  1. Manassa

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    Just a silly 'what if?'

    Objective: take an already great fighter and add five wins to his record to make him undoubtedly 'the greatest of all time.'

    Rules: cannot change results against existing boxers, and you cannot use boxers already fought. Must be within the boundaries of realism!

    Example 1: I couldn't pick Archie Moore to beat Muhammad Ali because a) he already fought him so I cannot add a rematch b) I can't change existing results c) it is outside the realms of possibility.

    Example 2: I couldn't change Ray Robinson's result against Joey Maxim, nor could I add a rematch - part of the rules are not to add fights against an already existing opponent.

    Example 3: adding Nino Valdes to Rocky Marciano's record would be perfectly reasonable.

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    Anyway!

    My choice: Roberto Duran beats:

    Ismael Laguna 1971
    Vicente Saldivar 1976
    Aaron Pryor 1979
    Milton McCrory 1986
    Sumbu Kalambay 1987

    Even that isn't enough to top Greb. Would be a good argument for him though.
     
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  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah...except Saldivar was a 3 years retired Featherweight.

    Also, you said to keep it within the realms of possibility. Duran beating a prime Kalambay at Middleweight doesn't qualify.
     
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  3. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hehe this is a fun one - good work manassa

    My shout goes to Sam Langford with a win over Jack Johnson for the heavyweight title in 1909 and a win over a raw pre-1917 Jack Dempsey haha the other 3 wins I'll have to come back to you on but those two suffice for me haha...at least I think but what do I know?? Now where's that beer I had waiting for me?
     
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  4. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Re-read the rules. Langford can't fight Johnson.
     
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  5. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh and a win over Stanley Ketchel for the middleweight title to go with his 6 round draw :) this beer is good by the way :)
     
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  6. RockysSplitNose

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    :? But Johnson and Ketchel rematches for the title weren't outside the realms of possibility - I thought that was the basis? :| bummer!
     
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  7. Manassa

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    Kalambay is up for debate.

    But Saldivar, you're quite right. I was just going through the ratings. ****ing #2 lightweight in '76 and '77 :huh:lol:
     
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  8. Manassa

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    Here's a better one. Jose Napoles beats:

    Nicolino Locche 1964
    Ismael Laguna 1965
    Carlos Ortiz 1966
    Ken Buchanan 1967
    Nicolino Locche 1967

    Now that is top five material for me. Shame it never happened. Three weight champion, 9-0 against Hall of Famers (until Monzon), then a dominant reign over solid challengers.
     
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  9. Robbi

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    Marvin Hagler:

    Wilfred Benitez, 1982.
    Michael Spinks, 1984.
    Mike McCallum, 1987.
    Michael Nunn, 1988.
     
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  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Good thread, I`ll get back to this in a little while.
     
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  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's Vincent Mijares Saldivar. Different fighter altogether.
     
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  12. ripcity

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    In Vicente Saldivar Idon't know what beating a guy after a 3 year layoff dose for him. He would have fought Pryor a year too soon. Ismael Lagunahad already lost to Buchanan by than. Milton McCrory was at the end of his career. Sumbu Kalambaywould have been a real good win.
    Would the above improve Duran's status? It would, but not by that much.
     
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  13. PetethePrince

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    Rocky Marciano

    Nino Valdes 1956
    Retire
    Comeback Ingo Johannson 1958
    Floyd Patterson 1958
    Sonny Liston 1959

    Total and utter fantasy but humorous to pretend. That would make him a top 15. Maybe anywhere as high as 5-10. Answers questions about 200+ lbs HW with an additionally epic comeback.
     
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  14. Manassa

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    Thanks mate, was beginning to question ratings :eek:

    Yeah we'll scrap Saldivar.

    McCrory would still be a top win for Duran at that time. I mean, De Jesus wasn't in the best condition when Duran beat him the first time but it still
    looks good.

    Pryor, a bit soon yes; but still a great win over someone who'd turn out to be excellent, like a Sanchez-Nelson situation.

    Kalambay in 1987 on top of Barkley in 1989 would have cemented it.
     
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  15. ripcity

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    This could make Hagler the best Ever at 160. A lot depends on rather or not he goes up in weight to fight Spinks.
     
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