More Impressive: Calzaghe - Kessler or Ward - Kessler?

You could make a case for either guy and both are good wins-Kessler's a good fighter.

Calzaghe was probably on the slide himself when he beat a prime, 28 year old, undefeated Kessler.

Ward had only 20 fights and was barely past being a propsect and he beat a 30 year old, one loss Kessler.

Both guys beat Kessler at home while Kessler was at or very close to his peak so I don't see much difference there.

The two things that make this a better win for Ward is Ward only having 20 fights and he beat Kessler more handily than Calzaghe did.

 

Lets break down your post for the ****** logic that it is using

1. Being a few years older makes no difference whatsoever.
Let me give you some even more extreme examples of a few fighters who faded over the space of a few years, Kelly Pavlik, Jermaine Taylor, Roy Jones Jr, Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, the list goes on and on. You are fairly niave to think fighters dont pick up niggling injuries and fade with age, its nature and not something not exclusive to just sport, its called the life cycle. It common knowledge that barring heavyweight boxers who tend reach a physical prime in their 30's that most human athletes are in their prime during their 20's. Obviously it differs from person to person. I have a feeling that you would claim guys like Vargas and Morales were prime during their early 30's if it suited your agenda. Argue all you like but please for your own sake stop trying to argue against a natural process such as ageing.

2.Its been clear and well documented to anybody who follows his career that he has made improvements in power and accuracy.
Your lieing and its a little bit pathetic, i have not seen one person barring your good self state that his accuracy has improved with age, no matter which way you try and twist it an eye injury does not help accuracy, it will hinder it. Im not quite sure why you reject the idea of Kessler suffering from double vision, i think its more a case that it gets in the way of your arguement that Ward has a better victory. It not uncommon for boxers to suffer facial injuries and more specifically eye injuries as they do afterall earn a living by being punched in the face. You'd need to be a little bit silly to think fighters are immune to such injuries.

3. Green was knocked out cold for the first time in his career. That fight was at LHW , so his improvements in power cannot be disputed.
Green was nothing special to begin with and had previously been stopped by a glorified journeyman in Glen Johnson. You keep on talking about improvements in power for some really odd reason, yes we all know Kessler has power, he didnt have Malignaggi esque power before the Ward bout and would have KO'd Green at any point in his career, his KO% before and after Ward hasnt really changed, i struggle to grasp quite how you have determined that his power has got better. Incidently Kessler weighed 169lbs for the bout and Green weighed 171lbs, yes a LHW bout but to use that as evidence of Kessler's power improving is nonsense as both fighters were closer to the 168lb division.

4. His win over Froch is undeniable proof that his best days came after the loss to Joe.
He would have beaten Froch before Calzaghe and still had too much for him a few years removed from his prime. Ive already stated its his greatest victory, he got to that victory with blood, sweat, heart and pure ****ing grit. It was absolutely wonderful to watch but he took punishment he simply wouldnt have taken a few years ago, his legs were slower, his hands were slower and his distance control was not what it once was. Pre Calzaghe Kessler would have been able to keep Froch on the end of that ramrod jab utilizing superior footwork and skill, taking advantage of Froch's inbalance and slow hands to nail him with hard right hands and uppercuts when Carl gets too game. I'll admit that he does look a bit better since he took that year out after Froch but to suggest that he is near the level he once was at this late stage of his career is ludicrous at best. I fully expect Froch of all people to be too fresh for him this time round.

 

You just posted a big essay of assumptions to what you want to believe.
You cant argue against logical facts.
Kessler's best days came after Joe with the biggest win of career. . End of story.

 

Nope i based my subjective opinion having evaluated all the facts, something that you choose either not to do or simply cant. I cant argue with logical facts you are correct which is why im pretty comfortable argueing with yourself, you have gaping holes in your logic because you choose to ignore crucial pieces of information and cant formulate a balanced arguement. I have given my opinion based on facts and common sense, if that is an essay to you then perhaps thats why cant debate on my level. You cant put down your opinion and pass it as fact, especially when 80% of the forum disagree with your "facts", you lost, come again when you can put forth a worthy arguement that i can take seriously.

 

old man Johnson knocked out green ffs

Calzaghe beats Ward 8 rounds to 4

 

Yeah Kessler was great until 8. round.
The missing sparring made Kessler pay in the late rounds.
The condition was clearly not 100 %.
Still I love that Kessler took the fight and made a great preformence.
The money talked to much in this case.
What a great round 12 by Kessler who is giving it all and nearly knocked Calzaghe down with 10 sec. to go.
Kessler would have won a rematch in Denmark.

 

Don't forget world an Olympic champ which is a higher level than his first 10 fights in the pros.

 

Lol both these bums need an overrated Eurobum kessler to justify their resumes

 

You're babbling on about nonsense not even revelant to the topic anymore. Its not about me , its about Kessler. I already told you the poll relates to a different argument but you fail to understand that along with everything else. I need only type one sentance to prove you wrong where you have to ramble on paragraph after paragraph.

 

Kessler having his best win after Joe and Ward is not my opinion. Its a fact.

 

What does it mean?

 

whether accidental or not. Ward did headbutt the **** out of Kessler. One of those headbutts was legitimately hard as ****, Kessler was probably seeing stars.

 

IMO its not even fair to compare the Calzaghe-Kessler fight to Ward -Kessler. For that only reason that Kessler was halfblind after round 5 in the Ward fight,caused by headbutts.Kessler told his corner: "i Can´t see".Beetween round 5 and 6...So ward had a halfblinded fighter in front of him,and kept headbutting,holding and used every dirty tricks to try to KO Kessler.
I know Kessler missed 3 weeks of sparring leading up to the fight Vs.Calzaghe. But kessler made the dicision to fight Calzaghe insteadt of postponed it...Remember that i think 30.000 tickets was sold,and Kessler made a LOT of money...And it was HIS choise to fight as planned.
Kessler was already starting to have eyeproblems before going into Super 6..But apparently not so bad that it would cause him any problems.But after rewatching the Ward-Kessler fight several times...Ward knew that even if he kicked Kessler in the face,he would only get a warning,and then he just kept on headbutting,holding, and got away with it...Ward could have destroyed Kesslers eyes,and made him blind.
Ward won the fight on the scorecards,because the last 7 rounds,Ward was fighting a halfblind man,STILL using headbutts...I am NOT saying Kessler would have won that fight,if it wasn´t for all the dirty tactics...I am saying Calzaghe fought 12 rounds with a man that was able to fight...And Ward fought a man that was illigal destoyed after round 5...IF you turn the table around and Ward was getting the same headbutts and all that ****,in Denmark.EVERYBODY in the USA,would have been SCREAMING about how rotten the referee and judges would have been in europe...When i look back,i think its sad for boxing,that things like that can happen..Even worse,in a titlefight.

 

Ward gave Kessler a beating and simply embarrassed him . The "so called Best SMW in the world at the time" got manhandled from the very 1st rnd .

I remember being on here the day of the fight and Kessler fans AKA "Calzaghe Fans" were predicting Ward getting knocked out , Wards gets dominated , Wards gets broken down and TKOed . Ward is too Green , Kessler is too much for him . You heard it all .

As soon as Ward beats down Kessler in one of the easiest fights of his career . Excuses from left and right came crashing down into this website . " Calzaghe ruined Kessler , he wasnt the same !! " The referee was unfair to Kessler !!" "Ward only won cause of his headbutts !! " "Kessler is obviously past his prime ! "

BUT NO ONE WAS SAYING ANY OF THIS BEFORE THE FIGHT ? LOL

Mikkel Kessler was just NEVER that good to begin with , and a "Green Ward" revealed that to us .

 

The headbutt that caused the tko happened in round 8. Kessler wasn't even close to winning a round and would of needed to knock Ward out to win, which wasn't going to happen.