Battle of Jabs: Wladimir vs Lennox

Falling in off of combinations that would lead to some wrestling on the inside and throwing body punches and ripping uppercuts on the inside. Willing to get rough and shove/wrestle to gain the upperhand, willing to throw bombs when in a bad situation.

Wlad is a superb boxer and a huge puncher, but he is not good at slugging and he never will be.

I think Holmes and Ali would. The speed of their jabs would be key, along with that their arms were actually longer than Wlad's.

Holmes's jab was very fast and carried a lot of pop. He'd be getting it out first and more often than Wlad, and he'd be able to beat Wlad to the punch. It was also more versatile.

Ali's jab would just be far too quick. He'd be able to get off 2 jabs to Wlad's 1. His ability to move and shoot stiff jabs would also give the somewhat robotic Wlad numerous problems.

 

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Quotes from Emanuel Steward

“Wladimir is gonna be the one I don’t think I could train a man to beat the way he is. I’m serious. I’ve never had a fighter – I went from Holyfield and all the guys I’ve worked with, never, Lennox – Wladimir is a very, very committed, very difficult fighter to beat. Because he won’t let you fight him. He makes you fight what he wants you to fight. But the biggest thing which I think people are not looking at is his speed for a big man. Tremendous speed. Foot Speed. He can move in, explode, move out, move back in, explode, and I’ve never seen anyone that could…move in and out and be in perfect balance”

"Wladimir has better one-punch knockout capability than Lennox"

"Wlad has the best footwork, coordination and balance of any fighter I ever worked with. He’s the most accurate, single-punch knockout guy I have ever seen. A guy can be completely fine, not hurt, and Wladimir can put his lights out with one shot."

"Wladimir’s coordination is better and he is the most powerful natural talent than any other heavyweight I have worked with."

"In terms of jab, Wladimir is the best and after him I would put Lennox. In terms of boxing arsenal, Wladimir is better than Lennox."

 

Wlad has the better, more powerful and effective jab.

Better technique too ... Lewis had an overrated lazy jab, Wlad is far more sharp.

 

Ali's arm were longer?
Just calculated (sort of rough estimation) Ali's armlength to body ratio is +- 0,475, Wlad's is +-0,47
So Wlad has an +-1cm longer arm than Ali.

The arm length is no issue in this case, they're practically equal.

 

Yes. Ali and Holmes both had longer arms than Wlad.

Holmes, between 6'3 and 6'4, had an 81" reach finger tip to finger tip.
Ali, at 6'3, had an 82" reach finger tip to finger tip.
Wlad, at 6'6, has an 81" reach finger tip to finger tip.

Wlad all around is a bigger person than Ali and Holmes were, including how broad he is. Ali and Holmes were both big men with big arms, but Wlad is broader than both.

Shoulder to shoulder, Wlad is likely 2-3 inches wider than Ali and Holmes were, thus my conclusion that they had longer arms seeing how Ali's finger tip to finger tip reach was actually an inch longer and Holmes was exactly equal.

 

It would have a bit of a factor in who would be outjabbing who.

 

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Boxrec disagrees with your Ali number.

In my previous post after the edit I said the arm length were practically equal.
To come to that conclusion I used pictures were they were the straightest possible and from there calculated their ratios.

 

I stand corrected on Ali, but his actual arm length is still very close to Wlad's.

 

Wlad is more talented than Vitali and Lewis.

Wlad dominates Lewis like Vitali did and knocks him out like McCall and Rahman did.

Lewis would get brutally KTFO by a steelhammer right hand from Wlad.

Both Klitschkos have surpassed Lewis.

 

I also sort of stand corrected too.

I did think about Ali/Holmes outjabbing Wlad before but thought they might have been too small, but their arm lengths are practically equal to Wlad's.
So they should both be able to outjab Wlad.

So if Wlad only gets outjabbed by Holmes and Ali, he's still the nr3.
Which in practice means it is "impossible" to outjab Wlad.

 

In practice for anyone not named Ali or Holmes if a time machine were created.

Liston would be interesting with his huge reach as well, but I think he'd be outjabbed due to Wlad being quicker and able to get his jab outbefore Liston.

 

That's why I said all things considered.

I believe those are important factors when assessing how effective a jab is.

 

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Vlads jab alone is the best or top 3 heavyweight jabs that I have seen but Lewis better backed up the jab aggressively with a arsenal of offensive weapons. Vlad has some great tools behind the jab but he can fight behind the jab for 12 rounds, his past losses may have had an impact of his style and I think it was a good choice because he is winning them and has surpassed Lennox by 59-3 record while Lewis retired with 41-2 so 18 more wins, but in all fairness Lewis fought better competition although some past there best as well. Vlad is still going and may have another 2 + years of fights

a fight between the 2 based off of the memory of Vlads losses makes me lean toward Lewis because of toughness/meanness but if i look at the Rahman-McCall fights I can see a Vladimir rocket ending it for Lennox as well ....not sure either man had a comparable in front of them to match the other at their best.