Carlos Monzon (prime) vs Roy Jones Jr (prime)

Monzon doesn't beat any of them.

 

Roy would beat Monzon he's a stylistic nightmare for Carlos.:deal

 

Jones dominated Toney, but it wasn't his fight at 168. But it was his first big fight (unless you want to count his fight against a green semi-unknown Hopkins) and he had success. Monzon was a great strategist and, yes, he was slow and took his time but I think he would end up controlling the fight and knocking Jones out. I can't see Jones, who had a lot of power, knocking out someone with Monzon's chin but I see Monzon slowly breaking Jones' plan and landing a shot to KO him.

At 168, Calzaghe might win because of his technical skills, but there is no evidence because Monzon never fought at 168. Maybe he would have continued like in 160, but maybe -there are cases- he would have been really affected by the weight.

 

Joe C. could beat Monzon , but Roy can't? Give me a break. That is BS.

 

Ive seen a few fights of Monzons and I dont think he could beat RJJ. Monzon is a great fighter and deserving of his status amongst others.

 

Monzon isn't fast and explosive like dat ***** Zab Judah! He garbage yo!

Zab, Left Hook Lacy, and a course Money Mayweather would beat him. Monzon's just a white boy who got lucky against a better generation of Middleweights than the ones Hagler fought. Somehow he got lucky enough to outbox them for the majority of 15 rounds, and stopping greats like Griffith, Napoles, and Benvenuti. What a lucky white boy!

Everyone knows you need to be explosive and exciting to be effective. There's no such things as subtle skills.

 

On a more serious note, I'll do my best to explain Monzon's strengths to you guys. Try something else when watching Monzon fight. Watch his opponents. Watch a great fighter like Emile Griffith when he's facing Monzon in their first fight. You look at Monzon and don't see anything that stands out, but when you look at a usually very effective fighter like Griffith, watch how his entire game shuts down and he's unable to get anything going.

Monzon was one of the very best long-range fighters of all time. His jab and overall handspeed were not fast, but perfectly timed. His timing was so good because of his reach and the way he'd feel you out. With his height, he'd often stay within reach and paw with the left jab to gauge the distance, then he'd throw a full jab that the opponent may be able to avoid, but would follow it up with the straight right that wouldn't be avoided because Monzon had perfectly timed the opponent and the distance.

His length and reach allowed him to time his opponents and gauge distance very well. As far as being defensively inept, that is ridiculous. How many flush shots do you see him hit with? Whenever he did get hit he was in perfect position to hit back, the same applied for whenever hs missed a shot. His ability to keep distance on offense made it extremely hard for other fighters to effectively get inside and land effective blows. He was great at tying his opponents up as well when they did manage to get inside.

His strength lied in that he was brilliant at using his reach and subtle skills to time you, and that he was great at keeping the fight at his pace, rarely allowing his opponent to work his game, especially if the opponent was a pressure fighter.

Jones is the only Middleweight who I'd have even money with Monzon at MW, because Jones also has a way of disrupting opponent's styles. The difference here is that Jones has nowhere near the chin of Monzon, and would be more than willing to win a Decision, whereas Monzon would be looking for the kill.

 

The older Monzon in the first clip was not as effective as the Monzon in the second clip you posted either. Please point out the flaws in the second clip. Anybody.

 

All of them could beat Monzon. Monzon was a marvel - and could dominate completely despite the fact he drank, whored endlessly, and smoked nonstop.

However, this was in the 70s - the conditions of the sport have evolved just like in any other sport, and all of them would beat him.

Does this mean that he had less talent than them? No.

 

He beats Hopkins and Kessler, loses to Jones and Calzaghe. Has the easiest time with Hopkins.

 

I beg to differ. Monzon was a monster back then - but lets face it - that kind of training attitude wouldn't hold water today.

 

He'd look better today, just like Calzaghe or Kessler would look lesser then.

If he did train like that now, he wouldn't be at the top, I'm exluding that from my judgement, it wouldn't even fly today with top trainers.

All of them win if he's going about things like he did then.

 

Monzon would beat him

 

Yes, but I was refering to back then, which was my suggestion all along. One can only imagine how good he would have been today. It's an impossible task.

You are voting for speed to eliminate him, but he would have been faster today, so that might not be the best counter anymore