How does Burns/Broner go now then?

Rees can't throw without making himself a target, and still there were times Broner couldn't catch him, Burns can. There was a period were Rees did a little show boating and made Broner miss about 5 shots (the crowd really liked this) Burns defence is a standup one, and believe it or not would be much trickier for Broner to penetrate than Rees awkward head movement.

What exactly did this fight tell us about Broner that we didn't already know? struggles with work-rate and body shots, but is extremely strong and athletic and for my money he did what he should have and took advantage of Rees fatal window, the 5-8 rounds (he always starts to slow down here, but it's a matter of finishing him, Broner did that, and he did it well)

Ricky Burns is a much, much fitter fighter than Gavin Rees, much bigger, much stronger, think of his jab alone, that would cause Broner problems in itself.

I think somebody else hit the nail on the head there, that win, although I rate Rees slightly ahead of Mitchell, is no more impressive than Burns bullying destruction of Kevin (and remember Kevin is a much harder puncher than Rees)

still a very very interesting fight is Burns/Broner and like somebody else said, if you think Burns watched that performance and saw anything that scared him, you've got another thing coming

 

Probably just me but I think Abril and Vasquez are the types of fighters that wouldn't play into Broner's hands and would trouble him. When hurt Gavin seemed to try and tough it out and that obviously didn't work, the other belt holders wouldn't do that IMO. Do we know what AB is like when he has to stalk? De Leon told us he doesn't like a consistent, accurate jab; lateral movement is a good answer to flat feet and all three can do both as well as having equal (or better) height/reach.

Like it or love - Rees and Demarco were perfect stylistic matchups for Broner.

I don't think that Vasquez, Abril and Burns are made for Broner as his previous two were. That means the fights would probably be a lot closer.

 

Couldn't disagree more. Mayve we have different definitions of trouble but as I just said, the top (other) three at lightweight all pose stylistic problems for Broner. Now he may beat them all but likelihood is he'll only fight one of them IMO.

At 140 I think, bigger, stronger, heavier, seasoned fighters like Garcia, Rios and Matthysse give him trouble at least. How would he deal with Khan's speed? What about Marquez?

Which performances make you think this? Eloy Perez? Gavin Rees? Demarco? Escobedo? Every single guy I've mentioned has a better record than that.

 

Burns gets destroyed.

 

No, which is confusing regarding all of this "Broner Ko's Khan in 3" talk, everybody who has ever given Khan trouble on the inside has had to walk him down into it, Broner just stands there

 

With Burns it will be a case of not being able to stay out of range for the full 12 rounds. He won't be able to sit back on the ropes and absorb punishment with his guard up like he did against Katsidis before popping a couple of jabs and a one-two combo and getting on his bike.

Eventually Broner will start to get through and as much as I would love to see Burns beat him, genuinely would love every second of it, I just can't see how it happens. I also think the fight is very unlikely to happen too and don't take it as a given that he beats Vazquez either. That's a 50/50 fight in my eyes.

 

Wishful thinking Brenny. I dont think we can play down Broner just because of what Burns might be able to do. We KNOW what Broner can do, and thats change gear after figuring his opponent out. Ricky Burns isn't even on the same level, nor has he fought anyone of that level yet. Vazquez will be the first at this weight, a world class fight and a credible fight at last. A fight Ricky should be involved in now.

I actually believe Vazquez could beat Broner more so than Burns. With that being said, that says an awful lot about Vazquez going into the Ricky Burns fight. I'm not sure Burns can do what is necessary to win this fight. If he does, then he'll get credit from me certainly. But I really dont see how this next fight is gonna get us any closer to a Broner fight. If Ricky Burns wins, then he must categorically come out and want the fight. Wherever. Just get the fight made. But I fear that if he wins, we will be even further away from a fight. If he loses on the other hand, Vazquez will become Broner's favored fight, and they wont want none of Ricky Burns, because they will say he is a leftover finished has been who got beat by Vazquez.

 

Rees vs Mitchell is a very good fight, i would love to see how that one goes.

A few Broner fans in the general think Rees gives Burns a close fight. Burns would beat Rees fairly easily imo. As tough as Rees is i would pick Burns to wear him down and stop him late.

I think Mitchell's now being underrrated, he schooled Presscot better than Vasquez and he done a better job on Murray than Rios. He was also doing well against a prime Kats untill he got caught. Burns beating Mitchell is a good scalp.

 

We know what both guys can do, and we know what both guys CANNOT do, it makes for an interesting fight

Ah but Katsidis is a pressure fighter, he was pushing Burns back for every second of every round, how often would Broner be pressing Burns up against the ropes? how often did he do it against Rees? Katsidis constantly moves in, Broner doesn't

 

Here's what we KNOW Broner can do:

Beat a European level lightweight.
Beat a crude, one dimensional, lightweight titlist.
Counter punch. With speed and force.
Beat a past-prime Escobedo, whilst overweight.
Beat a coked up Eloy Perez.

That's pretty much it. Those are the facts. What I see a load of is people saying he could do this, that and the other. But the above is what we know.

There's an awful lot of questions still to be answered.

 

See, it's hard to say stuff like this and not come across as a Broner "hater", but when he gets bigged up SO ****ing much you have to pull the reigns in, like you say, there are still questions Broner has to answer, Ricky Burns has some serious tools to bother Broner, great jab? check, size? check, great bodyshots? check, great stamina? check, fights in and out and doesn't stand there like a moron(cough, De Marco, cough)? check, all things that could give Broner problems

 

Yep. Not a hater, people are talking about him which is a good thing. He's being guided extremely well but is undoubtedly talented and a good fighter but let's not crown him King yet. Let him clean a division out first. If lightweight and superfeatherweight are as weak as people say then why hasn't he cleaned them out?

 

If Burns had more power, I think he'd beat Broner. I can imagine Burns having plenty of success, and possibly outboxing Broner, but the issue for him is the disparity in power. Broner will be able to hurt Burns, whereas Burns won't be able to hurt Broner. It might be a similar story to last night, actually. If Rees was capable of hurting Broner, it would have been a very interesting fight but that lack of punching power just made it far too easy for Broner, who was able to get away with being careless. He could just walk through Rees and he'll be able to walk through Burns too.

I'd like to see Burns will but I think he'll get knocked out. I think Frank knows this too, which is why my pick will remain purely hypothetical. Broner will move up to 140 before summer.

At 140, Broner will be in with different beasts entirely. He'll come unstuck there.

 

My concern is the difference in power, Burns doesn't hit that hard, perhaps harder than his record suggests but he is not exactly a big puncher. Also, Burns said that he had sparred with Rees too, I'd love to have seen that sparring session but I can't see that Burns would have handled Rees easier than Broner did.

Everyone is judging Broner on the basis of last night but do you really think that was Broner at 100% trying to get Rees out of there? He hardly seemed to step out of 3rd gear for me, I don't think Burns/Broner will happen anyway but I certainly wouldn't bet against Broner beating anyone at LW currently.

 

The down players and suppressesers are out in force I see?

The fact is, Broner has faced the best coming up through the weights and has beat them all. Ricky's next fight is his biggest, Broner has been turning over high level competition at world level. They wanted Ricky to fight Liam Walsh not to long back. And Ricky's last fight was against Kevin Mitchell. Adrien Broner has stopped fighters who aint been stopped, beaten undefeated fighters, and beaten numero uno ranked fighters.

Gavin Rees had only been stopped once in his whole career, against Kotelnik, Rees himself admitted back then he was living a fast life. This was supposedly a fitter, new and improved confident Gavin Rees and apart from a good showing in 2 rounds. Broner stepped it up and squished Rees like a slug.

What makes anyone think that he cant do it to Ricky Burns? He has done it to everyone else.........

Is Ricky Burns some messiah and all time great with more power than Tyson and more skill than Mayweather?