ctitique my new Bantamweight top 20

It has beens 3 years ESB classic did our weight divisions and I am trying to redo some/all of my listings and discovered I would change some of them over the last 5 years:

01 Manuel Ortiz
02 Eder Jofre
03 Panama Al Brown
04 Fighting Harada
05 Joltin'Jeff Chandler (I already know you don't like this one!)
06 Rueben Olivares
07 George Dixon
08 Terry McGovern
09 Pete Herman
10 Sixto Escobar

11 Joe Lynch
12 Carlos zarate
13 Jimmy Carruthers
14 Vic Toweel
15 Lionel Rose

16 Alphonso Zamora
17 Orlando Canizales
18 Lupe Pintor
19 chucho Castillo
20 Albert Davilla

Here is my old list

Besides Chandler who needs to be higher/lower or added/removed and why????

 

Funny that you mention him....I plead a lack of information! I almost placed him in the 11-20 range, but felt that I would have done so based upon others rankings of him...He is one of a few bantams that I need to learn more about this year. Along w/ Kid Williams and Jimmy Barry I need to get a beter knowledge of so my ratings are not so incomplete.

 

I will have to reconsider Lora....since he is one of my favorites I really like the idea of adding him....I can certainly see him as top 25-30 if I can't squeeze him in!

 

Do any guys like:

Lujan, Austin, McCullough, Fenech, Rudkin, Pedroza, Rafa, Hasegawa have a case...

Or educate me on kid Williams, Jim Barry, Bud Taylor, Monte Attell, Johny Coulon, Eddie Cannonball Martin, Louis Salica

 

I would be open to this.....but help me understand it a little better (or anyone else that wants to chime in!) if you would. I am aware of Oliveres' 51-0-1 record that propeled him to a title shot....but I only see a 4 year window between 69-73 where he was a top ranked/champion Bantam, before moving up in weight. Is this enough to off set the longer periods of Jofre/Ortiz/Brown? And why don't most people consider Ortiz among the top 2, I usually see in the 3-5 range, but the amount of ranked opposition he fought (over 50) is just astounding...even more so when compared to Olivares IMHO. What is it that sets Rueben apart as top 3 or even a lock for top 5...I am not disagreeing, I am open to learning more, which is why I posted this in the first place. I don't want to rank him top 3 because everyone else does...but if everyone else has a merited case I want to hear it...

 

I could probably go either way on this one, and wouldn't disagree with Jofre ahead....I think I had a similar thought in reverse about 3 years ago...My paperwork (Yes, I am a nerd) is at the office w/ my books, so I may change my stance when I have that in front of me....But it seems that Jofre had a 5 year period of dominance (being considered the best bantam in the world) while Ortiz's seems to be about 9....Jofre was likely the more consistant of the two....Ortiz also seemed to astound me with the number of top 10 opponents he faced (54 if memory serves) whil jofre was more in the 20???? range....Again Jofre had the higher win percentage and agains seemed to be more consistant. Ortiz's level of comp was probably the deciding factor? But I could be swayed if you make a case for Jofre!