Jeff Chandler vs Carlos Zarate

Iknow I will catch some crap over this, but don't really care! I fully excpect to be alone and/or in the minority on this one but I like to challange the status quo, and the regurgitated drivel of the masses repeating the common mantras of the day irrespective of whether or not it is grounded in truth and accuracy.

I catch a lot of crap on here for rating Chandler as highly as I do, and/or not rating Zarate as highly many others.....So my questions are who would win (who is better) and who ranks higher (who is greater)?

In Chandlers defense I say:
Zarate is rated top 10 for 5 years from 75-79(2,1,1,2,2)
Chandler is rated top 10 or champion for 5 years from 79-84(10, champion 4 years)
*Ring annual ratings*
Zarate is NOT acknowledged as champion during any of his years while Chandler is for 4 years.

Zarate Holds WBC Bantamweight belt for 3 years and 1 month
Chandler holds WBA Bantamweight belt for 3 years and 5 months

Zarate is 9-1 in title defenses
Chandler is 8-1 in title defense

Zarate fights 8 top 10 ranked guys in his career and goes 4-4
Chandler fights 12 top 10 ranked opponents and goes 9-2-1

I know we are in love with knockouts and power punchers, but I don't get the case for Zarate being ranked over Chandler.

So feel free to rip me (I already excpect 5 certain posters to :hi: ), but plese let me know: WHO-HOW-WHY?

 

I really was not trying to slant the numbers towards Chandler as much as I think they are evidence that cops are overlooking because they are married to their hunches (Yes, I read to many crime novels)....Chandler vs Gomez is interesting. I am not sure if Jeff would win and I will refrain both out of bias for Chandler and disdain for Gomez. Chandler gave an interview (I will see if I can locate it) where he talked about Gomez accompanying a fighter (Perhaps Ortiz?) to a weigh in and Jeff says he yelled at Gomez and called him out??? But that Gomez wanted no parts of him (I would take that w/ a grain of salt, but it is Chandler's story). History does not always look well upon bantams who move up to face champions in higher weight divisions...I suspect this might be the case here as well....but if we are going to reverse poor decisions, jeff totally won the fight against Murata that took place in japan, but the draw on his record stands....if not Jeff would equal Zarate in title defenses as well...as it is that is the lone statistical edge I can give to carlos...Jeff seems to have fought more ranked opponents and had a higher win percentage doing so...but admittadly I am quite biased!

+EDIT+ I didn't count the loss to Gomez as a title fight...I was counting title defenses...that was for Gomez's title and did not count as a title defense because it was not one...I did use it as one of only 8 ranked opponents that zarate fought and makes his record 4-4....if you want me to omit it is still 4-3...if you want me to remove Zaragoza and Fenech as post prime, that would make him 4-1...which while a solid win percentage....Still leaves him having only fought 5 ranked opponents.....Most guys would get critiqued for lack of opposition, but zarate seems to get a free pass on this one.

 

Why is Zarate superior to Chandler? What about his resume gives evidence of this? Gomez may very well have beaten Chandler as well, but that does not answer the question. Zarate did not fight many ranked opponents to base this upon?

 

Don't get me wrong I love Zarate and think he is certainly great and in a hypothetical h2H list I might rate him higer, but greatness/ATG rankings are supposed to be based upon resume/accomplishment....and to me 4-4 against top 10 opponents (or 4-1 if I rule out his bad loses) does not compare favorably with 9-2-1 against top 10 comp. If we blocked out the name and rated just upon the accomplishment I feel like Chandler would win hands down....But not here and no one is willing to tell me why?

 

I left my boxing register at the office, I will check it out tonight and post both lists. Unless someone else has it and beats me to it.

 

Very cool post....Although I cannot answer that question untill I look at my copy tonight and discover what those top 10 rankings are based upon...as far as Chandler/Zarates personal ranking and/or recognition as champion I did use Rings annual rankings, but I am not sure what the boxing register uses???

feel free to post some contradictory lists if you have access to those you mentioned and they are valid at the time of their fights....I am always open to learning more...EVEN if it goes against my predisposed opinions...I am admittadly and unashamedly a Chandler fan, and while I like Zarate I don't think he gets held to the same scruitiny as others many times do...But if I am wrong I wil acknowledge it, even if it pains me to do so!

Thanks for your responses, and I have respect for you as a poster on here for quite some time so feel free to open my semi-closed mind!

 

LOL ! But seriously if you have counter arguments/evidence I will be open to listen to it. At this point I am not seeing it...I do not want to, and will not change my opinion based upon others rankings, but if you can give some evidence that Zarate fought equal/superior competition I will be open to it and let the chips fall where they may!