Is it safe to say Wladimir got the worst chin of the top 10 heavyweights?

Lets not forgett that the light heavyweights Marciano fought got to fight him because they wiped out all the bigger heavyweights around at the time.

I also think that people are two quick to give fighters a pass for getting stopped by a limited or mediocre fighter, because they happen to be big.

 

No, Choynski would not knock out Wlad. I won't even contemplate the possibility.

 

Start contemplating it.

 

Waldo is hardly mediocre. He has become a pretty seamless operator of his style.

The heavyweight division post-WWII was at its nadir. Were the middleweight division ruled by lightweights in their late 30's with 80+ fights behind them, the ridicule would never cease.

 

No, wrappings are used to protect the fists.
Without them, you likely break some bones when you hit somebody in the face too hard.

Gloves also prevent hand damage but their use has more to do with preventing cuts.

Sorry, but I always like to go off-topic.

 

So these wlad nut huggers still are alive and well here on ESB? ****s sake this has been going on for AGES..

 

Getting stopped by a limited or lesser regarded opponent is more damaging to your career and people's overall estimation of your quality as a fighter. However, when discussing chins, it's the fighter who shows the ability to repeatedly take solid shots from a known puncher that speaks more to me than one who's able to take repeated punches from a more skilled but lighter punching foe.

Well, you could argue that all the guys who legitimately dropped Wlad were serious punchers as well. Certainly Peter, Brewster and Sanders tick those boxes. Williamson as well, if you don't consider that a flash KD. Puritty was heavy handed and tenacious, qualities which were crucial in his stoppage win over Wlad. I don't know much about Pannell, but the knockdown was the definition of flash.

More importantly, they were all big modern heavyweights (except for maybe Williamson) which cannot be said for many of Louis's opponents barring Buddy Baer. Certainly none of them could ever have boiled down to the supermiddleweight limit as Conn did. If Wlad ever got hurt by a supermiddleweight, even a heavy handed one like Froch, you'd never hear the end of it, and that guy's a legitimate LHW come fight night.

 

Also Primo Carnera isn't a good example of a big heavyweight their weaknesses considering his gigantism. (Unnatural growth)
Same goes for Nikolai Valuev

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Sufferers from gigantism have a lot more problems than other big men have.

 

You've just quoted it. Sanders was long known as a hard puncher (not the hardest ever, I never said that) and a very dangerous frontrunner, due to his speed, explosiveness and aggression. He's one of only two men to seriously stagger Vitali, and unlike Lewis he did it early in the fight with one punch. He also succeeded in lifting Vitali off his feet with a bodyshot later in the fight. If that isn't good enough evidence of serious power then you're a very hard man to please.

He also managed to knock Wlad down with almost every punch he landed clean. Believe it or not, no one else has been able to do that.

Whether Sanders was a nobody or not doesn't diminish his power credentials any. And those credentials can't really be faulted (see above). For my money, he wasn't as heavy a puncher as some of those names you listed, but his insane speed seemed to stun a lot of fighters who felt his shots. As for Fury, Fury??? Have you even watched him fight? He's not heavy handed at all. Were you thinking of Price?

I don't consider the testimonies of men who fought each other a hundred years ago under a different set of rules and a different environment to have much if any bearing on anyone fighting today. Logic dictates that a middleweight, no matter how freakish you consider them, is not going to punch as hard as a heavyweight with proven top flight knockout power. P4P very possibly, but not in absolute terms. Testimonies can add valuable insights to a fighter or a fight, but they cannot be used as evidence alone, especially since they're so prone to hyperbole. They're not entirely useless, but in the case of someone like Choynski, unless they can be verified by several impartial observers and backed up with medical reports that show that the fighter in question caused serious skeletal or organ related injuries, and that he did so with one or two punches en route to knocking his man completely unconscious, then I'm not convinced. Good quality video footage remains the best way to ascertain a fighter's worth after the fight has concluded. The tiny amount of footage available of Choynski does not impress me in the slightest I'm afraid.

I wouldn't say that Wlad was unduly troubled by Haye or Wach. Did he feel those shots? You bet. But find me a heavyweight who doesn't take a shot or two throughout the course of a fight. You're right of course that he didn't get hit with much of anything in the second Peter fight. I only brought it up because, although Peter only landed one good shot of consequence (a big left in the first), it was a good one from a man know to be a heavy puncher. Considering how poor people still think Wlad's chin is, even such a small thing as that should be seen as a refutation.

His chin obviously isn't going to get any better from this point on, but he's already showed a marked increase in composure under pressure and a better ability to take punches from heavy hitters, things which I for one believe were the main culprits to his lack of punch resistance in the past. The damage has already been done, of course, but if he emerges unscathed from bouts against the likes of Pulev, Price and even Mitchell then I think it'll help his image a lot when all's done and dusted.

 

Primo Carnera probably wasn't a very big hitter compared to other superheavyweights his size, but he hit pleantuy hard enough to put anybody he was consistently tagging on ***** street.

Buddy Baer and Abe Simon probably did carry the same sort of power as Brewster and Sanders.

Ultimately however you don't grade a fighters chin on the size of the opponents they were fighting, you grade it on how hard they hit. By the same token, you dont laud a fighter for taking out big opponents as much as you do for taking out durable opponents.