Is it safe to say Wladimir got the worst chin of the top 10 heavyweights?

Are you comparing Wlad and Louis durability? For me, that Louis managed to survive where Wlad didn't had much more to do with poise and defense than durability and chin, whatever those are. You never saw Louis stumble around in panic induced fatigue like Wlad did and forget all semblance of defence.

In purely physical terms Wlad probably has the better chin if we're talking neck, thickness of skull etc of virtue of being bigger and stronger. But that's just a part of it. You could put the world strongest man in the ring and he still wouldn't take the punches Hagler took, because he wouldn't know how. That's the difference. I'm kind of amazed how oblivious people here seem to be of that fact.

 

I highly doubt that. Watching the video footage of his fights, Simon looked like quite an uncoordinated oaf, much like Nicolai Firtha is today. He certainly didn't look like he possessed anywhere near the explosiveness of either man, and lacked the sheer bulk to match them with heavy handedness alone. Baer probably hit harder than Simon, but it's hard to tell how well he stacked up against other modern heavyweights of a similar size. He's certainly got some nice compactness in his fists and a decent amount of speed for a big man. But there isn't enough footage of him available (or at least that I've seen) to allow for a decent evaluation.

And how hard an opponent hits doesn't correlate with their quality as a fighter. A fighter like Sanders is never going to be lauded to the same degree as a Max Schmeling. Did he punch harder than him? You betcha.

 

I believe Shannon Briggs still holds that record, for what it's worth. Buddy was also (and correct me if I'm wrong) fighting against much smaller men than Briggs, on average, meaning a generally less durable crop of fighters. He looked like a pretty decent puncher though, more impressive than his brother Max from a technical point of view, so the fact that he knocked down Louis isn't a massive black mark against Louis's chin. It's the Galentos, Conns and Braddocks that raise more of a red flag in my opinion.

I've only seen very limited footage of Simon as well, but he just didn't look coordinated or fast enough to stack up with any modern hard hitter today. I'm willing to change my mind though. Which fights would you recommend I see?

Size, past a certain point, becomes irrelevant. A 210lb man can ko a 250lb man if he's fast and explosive enough. Max is very far from the hardest puncher in history though. He just doesn't prove that on film. Too slow, too sloppy, horrendously wild and off balance on the offence etc. He's almost as overrated as Shavers.

Um yeah, but a big puncher who cracks you on the chin is still going to test it, isn't he? That's what this thread is about: one's ability to take a big shot, not one's ability to avoid big shots from limited but hard hitting challengers. People are criticising Wlad's chin based on getting blitzed by Sanders because Sanders was a limited opponent, but the man still punched like a mule, didn't he?

 

Brewster and Williamson were regarded monster punchers by all who fought them.

I haven't heard the same for sanders but watching his fights, he hurt everyone he fought.

Toney classes Peter as the biggest puncher he ever fought.

 

James Toney?...Your nuthugging is beyond ridiculous. His punch resistance is as weak as water. His fighting style his built around protecting himself. He'll only fight in Germany so his personal ref can protect him. He fouls nonstop to protect protect himeslf. Except it and stop making excuses for him.......It doesn't make theses B - C level guys the greatest punchers of all time.

 

wtf are you talking about?

I mentioned James Toney because there is a feature on him in this months ring mag.

everyone knows Wlad can't take a punch, noone is doubting that. that's why he's safety first.

 

Being conditioned to take a punch is an attribute of an Elite fighter. Repeating what these lower teir guys say about power is just trying to justifiy is extremly low level of punch resistance.

 

I don't need to justify anything. Wlad has a glass jaw and cannot take body shots. when forced to work hard he tires which decreases his level any more. Noone thinks Wlad has good durability because he doesn't.

However I figured James Toney's take was worth knowing because I've just read about it and it mentioned a fighter being discussed in this very thread.

Take your childish fanboy battles back to the general forum **** sucker.

 

Did something i sw make you feel threatened? I wouldn't take Toney's opinon on HW punching power seriously or a gauge on how powerful Peter was. Toney went through 24 rounds with him. Have your own opinion and dont regurgitate **** you read.

 

threatened? how could I feel threatened?

I voted Wlad outside my top ten and said the only yother great with as shaky whiskers is Patterson, you're constant fanboy childish arguments are just tiresome.

I think I'll take James Toney's opinion over yours or mine, considering he's actually felt Peter punch and we haven't :good

 

I dont see boxing in textbook black and white like you do. Fanboy? Who am i a fanboy of? Who am i defending here?

 

**** knows but you seemed to think me reading a ring article was nuthugging wlad so anything is possible right :nut

I don't care how you see boxing, you might not think toney's opinion is worth ****, but considering he's been punched off one of the guys being mentione dI felt his input appropriate.