Sammy Angott's KO of Ike Williams - underrated, overlooked?

Williams suffered a torn abdominal muscle in that fight. Angott was 4lbs heavier than Williams, and lets not forget that Ike had beaten Angott twice previously.

 

I love the Williams apologists scrambling to find every excuse for this loss. There's no need to make excuses. Angott is a forgotten great and there's no shame that Williams lost.

Angott was an amazingly tough, courageous boxer/spoiler, who people forget suffered from horribly fragile hands, which were in awful shape by the time he finally won the title.

Consider the lineup Angott fought:

3 times against Sugar Ray Robinson, who was a full division bigger
3 times against Ike Williams (two losses were razor thin SD's)
Hank Armstrong (close loss)
Lew Jenkins
twice against Beau Jack
3 times against Bob Montgomery
Fritzie Zivic

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Oh, and he was the first to beat Willie Pep

Maybe he didn't have the most beautiful record, but his matter of fact willingness to fight ANYONE has to rank with Greg, Charles, and Gavilan.

 

I love the Angott apologists scrambling to find excuses for his two losses to Williams.

 

Angott had gone ten rounds with Gene Burton just a month earlier. His prior inactivity had lasted just 9 months.Williams conceded 4lbs in one of his wins against him, and 6 lbs in the other.

"Williams suffered torn abdominal muscles, and Angott stopped him in the 6th"



"Williams suffered a torn abdominal muscle from Angott's body blows in the first round and took a bad beating until the fight was stopped"

Angott was 34, past his best . Williams was 22, not yet prime.
Both great fighters.

 

What? The two losses were both split decisions. I'm not scrambled for anything except actual fact. I'm not arguing that Angott is even greater than Williams. My post was a general observation on Angott's willingness to take on the elite of his day and his competence against that caliber of opposition.

 

Williams was 20 and 21 years old in the two fights he beat Angott.
1st fight
"The official scoring was 4-4-2 (draw), 6-4 for Angott, and 5-3-2 for Williams. The referee voted for Williams and under the rules this gave the decision to Ike. It was Angott's mauling, swarming style against the cleaner boxing and sharper hitting of Williams. Attendance was 15,500 and the gross gate was $46,025."

2nd fight
"Official scorecards: 6-4 (Adgie) and 6-3-1 (Loughran) for Williams; 5-4-1 for Angott (Tress). The decision was well-received by the audience. Williams appeared to be the clear winner, although Angott won the second, seventh, and eighth rounds, and the third was even. Williams was busier and hit more clean".

Angott had a 4.25lbs advantage in the 2nd fight.

A 5.75lbs advantage in the 1st fight.

Williams was pre-prime.

I'm not scrambling either I was responding directly to your comments about }

"Williams apologists scrambling to find every excuse for the loss".

 

Ah, I see. i guess those are all fair points. I remember a few years back there was a real 'Ike Williams' infatuation on this forum. There's always at least one fighter who completely obsesses Classic before he's swept aside in favor of someone else. This tends to exhaust my patience.

 

No harm done , most of them get their turn in the barrel.

 

..........i have nothing to had to this discussion....reasonable arguments by both sides......but....i'm trying to visualize a "roundhouse " right to the body.

 

Fair enough. I can't wait for 'Clutch Fever' to break out sometime in the next few days, with people picking Angott to ice Duran in three and Chavez in five.

 

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The AP and UP are psuedonyms they are not newspapers ,they are wire services for those too lazy/ impoverished to attend fights /sporting events.As such they should be treated with a large degree of caution. Ike Williams said he was prime in 1949, he also said he fought his greatest fight that year ,against Enrique Bolanos thats 4 years after Ike lost to Angott and makes him 26.