The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. McGrain

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    hahahahahha steele
     
  2. McGrain

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    Yeah, claims were common and I don't think he ever made one to the title but they weighed the same and Walcott was arguably doing the heavy lifting. I'd say the best MW's of the late 90's were Walcott, Ryan, West and that mad ****ing Australian. But Walcott also did good work just above the limit, polished of the last generation though they'd gotten bigger, and I think did the better work. It's arguable, but I don't agree that Ryan was the best MW of his era - i don't think that happened.

    IV is a reach for me. Let's look at V:

    Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jimmy Wilde, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins. Ike Williams.

    Everyone swallow him in there? I can.

    It's a big one. Who should we drop?
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    drops williams just to **** off manassa :lol:
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    I think it's hard to be that dismissive.

    It might well be the case that Walcott was ryan's number 1 contender right up until he lost to West, but Ryan then beat West.

    At the very worst it's be like Dempsey-Wills if Dempsey had defended against Sharkey right after he beat wills.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Also McGrain; don't listen to Anj, Wilde is deffo' mid tier. I'm happy with him anywhere between 40-60.
     
  6. McGrain

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    :lol: you're joking, but i moved Williams up so he's kind of the front-runner.

    I absolutely would not dismiss Ryan's claim - no sir. But I lean to Walcott

    Let's have a quick look at IV:

    Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Jimmy Wilde.

    Would you, or anyone else, argue him clearly greater than say, two of these guys?


    :lol:

    It's not just SS. It's loads of guys. There are basically five of us doing this with other dudes popping in and out with suggestions. Janitor would have a lot to say about Ryan for example, and would probably make luf's case look rather weak.

    We're abandoned :|
     
  7. Mr Butt

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    I got a couple of short exerts from first from Alfred Dayton regarding berg and the second is from a fleischer report about bergs first fight with canzoneri


    He varies from the average run of foreign fighters in as much as he possesses an intimate knowledge of infighting . In close, his arms work like pistons and he is such a busy individual that he has been termed the English Harry Greb , and in some instances , the English Ace Hudkins . But both these cognomens are slightly in error. Berg boasts much more skill along with his whirlwind tactics than either.




    Canzoneri tried everything with him. Tony boxed and slogged and then went back to boxing again. But he didn't have enough in the way of heavy artillery to check berg, nor the strength to meet the sizzling pace. When tony attempted to box, Berg crowded him. When he came down off his toes to slug it out, the Englishman also set and Tony was the first to break every time. Berg's ability to incessantly crowd the other fellow in the teeth of the fiercest action makes him redoubtable . For something the style of clever boxers and hard hitters, Berg is in a class by himself. In close there are few who can match his furious pumping of gloved fists.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I see him 30-45 ish. He's at the upper end of that right now.

    Maybe - maybe - luf's right and Ryan fits into the lower end of the fourth pod and Wilde comes back down? That would see him ranked about #40 and Ryan at about 35.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Canzoneri certainly didn't have the power to dissuade Berg second time round Butt :tong
     
  10. Flea Man

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    45 is fine.

    Anyway, the rest of the flys. Who jumps out at you and why? Let's elaborate on this further and whittle it down.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    :lol: he'd probably quit the forum if you did that. I can picture him lurking this thread going bonkers around his house.

    Do mwe have any reports on who would have been favoured in a fight between these two? I certainly see noone above Ryan after the West fight but I could be persuaded before then. See I have these mid-level type notes on about 400 fighters but don't have masive depth on the vast majority of them.

    I couldn't say is clearly greater than but I might argue him above Loughran. More consistant and achieved more despite not having as many top names.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I have Canto in the current holding tier and Perez to come in the next one. What you think and why havnen't you answered my pm?





    Thanks Butt, that's a nice detail.
     
  13. McGrain

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    :lol:
    Based upon what i've read, Ryan was generally held in a higher regard in the time frame we're discussing. But it's also the case that Jeffries was regarded as being better than Johnson during Johnson's best years best-for-best and even that Jeffries was slightly favoured in the press in the run up to their actual fight.

    It seems that very, very soon after both had retired, Walcott was seen as the era's marvel.

    I do disagree with you. But the middle ground here seems ok.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    I reckon that perhaps like Darcy/Gibbons and Palomino/Cueavs there is equally arguable claims as to who was better.

    Hard to say, Loughran lost a lot at HW but picked up some amazing victories. tough to make sense of it.
     
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    Depends on your criteria really, dominance is an underrated criteria