The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

focus on holding guys?

 

can ya re-post again :good

 

tommy gibbons so good he's in twice

 

Hoya and Johnson stand out to me as they have weight jumping greatness behind them.

 

I knew this would be mentioned , by the time the rematch was made Berg's ability to make lightweight was almost impossible put that together with Berg picking up injuries and thus having his longest lay off between fights more than two and a half months . Below is an exert from a short report in boxing, racing and football:

He will go into the ring without his strength and so he will have nothing with which to fight .... and Beeg doesn't know how to stall. He has only his way of fighting and he must have all his strength and nervous energy to do that. And as he cannot have those assets at the weight he will get beaten. And badly beaten



Below is an exert from a report of Bergs first fight against chocolate


By the seventh round, however the crowd was booing chocolate for holding as Berg, trying to rip loose, whirled the Cuban roughly into the ropes

Berg had been annoyed by the persistent clinching and was more than a trifle nettled when he came up for the eighth. Leaving his corner at top speed, he was on top of the negro like a flash to send a shower of blows to the body. The Londoner's attack was so fierce, so fast and so continuous that chocolate, beaten back when he sought to clinch, joined issue and fought back for all he was worth. A simply terrific slam ensued with Berg pounding away to the body

And report concludes with this


Berg bullied ..... Kept on rushing ...... drove the negro back with smashing blows to the body.... Chocolate was trapped .....the Briton was eternally on the kid.....Berg charged so hard that Chocolate was chased around the ring and was forced to hold....the Britisher crowded the negro ...... Chocolate holding desperately .... Berg fought his opponent from rope to rope to rope ..... Chocolate was back-pedalling at top speed.... Berg swarmed all over him

 

if i weren't halfway through a poker game I'd post my notes on everyone you're holding.

 

Personally he's in my top5 although it depends on criteria

In overall competition his isn't the best, although I'd argue whether some of those in the top 20 really got better competition?

If dominance is high on your list you have a boxer who's in real terms been practically unbeaten until the age of 35 and rarely losing rounds in the process

In terms of fighting everyone around he's let down by missing significant ones. But if you look at the yearly LHW rankings from his time there he faced most of them. Then again Henry Armstrong didn't fight WWs like Charles Burley, Cerdan (was due to happen but didn't), Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams or Ike Williams or Pep. The focus is on who he fought, the same with SRR who missed some great names too.

Quality of era, this is subjective and doesn't get talked about much. I think it's a pretty good era in the earlier 90s but got weaker as time went on. I think pre-20s boxing wasn't of a very standard, we wouldn't expect a pre-20s football side to be competitive. I suppose it depends if you think this is historically unfair.

Head to head ability, I think you'd probably rate him allot higher

So I'm guessing your list is mainly on competition but I've not followed this thread so it's a little lazy of me commenting without doing so. It's no easy task making such a list and I generally don't. I do believe old timers don't get put quite under the same spotlight of criticism the fighters of the last 30 years do, except for obviously Dempsey

 

Seeing as your going to 100 I can see berg being anywhere between 60 to 72 I would have him around 55 to 60 but its your list :|

 

I'd have Oscar in the last fifteen places available


Possibly