Who beats Prime Muhammad Ali?

Ali in his so -called prime struggled in first Cooper bout, was given title by LIston, and was on ropes a lot against guys like Chuvalo. He was more beatable then, but had lack of competion. CLevland Willimas was recovering from gun shot wounds that almost killed him. Zora Foley? Guy had been ko'd 5 times in 5 years! Knocked out cold, gets title shot.

 

People on this forum are more ******ed then I thought

How is prime Iron Mike Tyson not the leading option? A glass jawed limey with a lazy jab gets the leads over Iron Mike??

Ali is too good of a boxer to lose to that rasta headed bum ... his overrated power and lack of stamina would have him on the receiving end of a wide decision.

Tyson is the perfect heavyweight to defeat Ali ... overwhelming attack, blinding hand speed, and great accuracy and power. Tyson had the sharpest, most on point left hook ever seen in the division ... Ali's kryptonite.

 

He got clipped by Cooper. Did he struggle?

The 1st Liston fight was great. He was only 22, and Liston had destroyed Floyd Patterson.

The 2nd fight will always be surrounded in controversy with the "Phantom Punch"

The Patterson win was a good win.

Ali definitely lost a step after his exile.

He didn't have the speed and the reflexes that he'd previously had.

He aged quickly.

He was an old 32 year old against Foreman.

It would have been very interesting to have seen him fight Frazier and Foreman (the same versions that he fought) in 1964/65.

I don't think he was more beatable back then, but I respect your opinion.

 

Good points! I'm a huge fan of both fighters. I think Mike would have had a chance early, but after 5, I think he'd have got frustrated. I think Ali would have broken him psychologically, before and during the fight, and he'd have danced without landing a great deal for 5 or 6 rounds.

I think after 5-6 when Mike became frustrated, I think Ali would have started putting his punches together.

I think Ali would have had a huge psychological advantage over most of the guys on the list, and it would have played a huge part in the fights.

I think a lot of people underestimate the power that psychologically can play.

Of course if Mike had've gotten the opportunity, he could have destroyed Ali with a whole range of shots. But in my opinion, he'd never have been given that opportunity.

 

The only psycholigical advantage Ali holds is over Dempsey who would simply refuse to fight Ali at all.
The only advantage Ali holds over all these guys is that he's extremely tough, but I'm sure Tyson would be able to crack through it.
Talking about the man of the Spinks fights.

Ali was lazy too at times.(Second Cooper fight, Cooper was ahead on scorecards)
Chuvalo was also constantly pounding him with bodyshots over and over again. (Ali had to go to hospital after the fight for his kidneys)

 

Hi mate,

I respect your opinions.

So you don't think that Jack would have even have fought Ali? That's very interesting.

Good points regarding Chuvalo and Cooper. But styles make fights, and I don't think he could or would have adopted those same tactics against Mike. He couldn't have afforded to be lazy. I don't think he'd have boxed the same way. Mike was incredibly dangerous.

I could definitely envisage Mike knocking out a mid 70's version of Ali, but not the mid 60's one.

I honestly believe that Mike would have had a 5 round window. After that, I think Ali would have been in charge.

Mike has recently said that he didn't think he could have beaten him. Although I'm surethat a fully fit and focused, 1988, 22 year old version of him, would no doubt have been in a different frame of mind.

Again, I respect your opinion. Obviously know one knows for sure what would have happened, and it's fun to speculate.

Did you vote for Mike then?

How would you see a fights with Lewis and Marciano going down?


Regards, Loudon.

 

Lewis is Canadian, sorry bro. Even represented Canada in the Olympics. :deal

 

Might be one of the craziest statements I've read on this forum and I've read a few...considering the likes of Foreman, Shavers, Frazier and Liston that Ali faced the above statement is a shocker.

Ali of 1967 beats every heavyweight in history.

 

None, remember we are talking about "prime Ali"

 

Doug Jones may be able to give the unbeatable Ali a good fight, but only elite fighters like this can survive the introductions.

 

The main issue that everybody is no considering is the Era in which these fighters fought.

Ali, Frazier, Foreman and etc use to fight 15 round fights.
Tyson, Lewis, Bitchko's fight 12 round fights.


Ali beats the **** out these guys new era guys in a 15 round fight. The bitchkos could come in to a fight weighting 250 or 260 pounds because they couldn't last 15 rounds.

Tyson would have to not throw so many hard bombs in order to last in a 15 round fight with Ali.

 

Other the other side of the aurgument....

If Ali was to fight these 12 round fights where heavyweights can not come into a fight not at top shape weighting 250 and higher.....he would have a hard time




THINK ABOUT IT
In Ali days, a huge heavyweight was around 220pounds because the fighters had to prepare for 15 round fights oppose to 12 round fights.