The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who is dropping out for att
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nobody, I don't want to go over 10 in each pod so he can slot right in.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Deffo' LMR over Sanchez, and Saldivar. Resume is mind boggling compared to those two (if you give him the series over Griffith anyway)
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tier I
    1) San Langford
    2) Harry Greb
    3) Ray Robinson
    4) Henry Armstrong
    5) Bob Fitzsimmons
    6) Ezzard Charles
    7) Muhammad Ali
    Benny Leonard

    Tier II
    Joe Gans, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, Packey McFarland, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard.

    Tier III
    George Dixon, Joe Walcott, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin, Sandy Saddler.

    Tier IV
    Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons.

    Tier V
    Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins, Tommy Ryan, Jimmy Wilde.

    Tier VI
    Mike Gibbons, Evander Holyfield, Fighting Harada, Michael Spinks, Wilfredo Gomez, Thomas Hearns, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams, Jimmy Wilde, Rocky Marciano, Young Corbett.

    Tier VII
    Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Jack Dempsey (np), Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez, Abe Attell

    Tier VIII
    Oscar De La Hoya, Sammy Angott, Miguel Canto, Harold Johnson, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger, Lloyd Marshall.

    What about these guys? (Holding)
    Fritzie Zivic,Pascual Perez, Larry Holmes, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Benny Lynch, Teddy Yarosz, Jimmy Driscoll, Kid Norfolk.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Imma leave Zivic in IX. He beat:

    Armstrong, Burley, LaMotta, Azteca, Jannazzo, Furr, Agnott about 140 other guys and went life and death with Conn. He's got plenty of losses too, but nobody on this list really met a definitively higher level of competition. I accept I might need to move him down - and even out, we're at that kind of stage now - at a later date but i'm happy with him where it is when that pod gels.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm cautious to do that though. I suspect he got the better of it but I don't feel desperately aggrieved watching what is available. They were close and difficult. I tend to bow to the judge's decision where possible.
     
  7. anj

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    Larry Holmes is a H2H brute in heavyweight, but I'm not too impressed with his competition.

    Beats an old version of the golds.
    Beats Cooney.

    I'd probably put him on a tier or two below.
     
  8. anj

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    I don't know enough about LMR, but his resume doesn't look that good to me? A lot of his resume looks a little padded and he barely got the upper hand on the top fighters there.
    Depends how high you rate Curtis Cokes, Denny Moyer and Briscoe doesn't it.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Fritzie Zivic,Pascual Perez, Larry Holmes, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Benny Lynch, Teddy Yarosz, Jimmy Driscoll, Kid Norfolk.

    At the moment i'm looking to keep ahold of Perez, Foster, Brown, Yarosz (probably), Driscoll and Zivic and hold back Holmes, Lunch and Norfolk. I'm not alarmed by the sparsity because there will be guys we will want to move up, either to that tier or to different ones above (which will generally mean bringing a guy down).
     
  10. Flea Man

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    This is fair.

    Wilfredo Gomez is in the tier above Sanchez now? :huh

    Or Rubin Carter, George Benton, Tony Mundine, Holley Mims, Yama Bahama and many other fighters you have no clue about.

    Agreed depending on how you see him going 1-2 with Cokes might swing his 'level'. Lethargic in the first, dominant in the 2nd only to get stopped at the death in the rubber match. Not massive when you consider some of the losses/series people being ranked over him have, and how good Cokes clearly was.

    In fact it's Napoles' domination of Cokes; twice, in performances right up there with Sanchez-Danny Lopez, that see 'Mantequilla' rank so high for his ability with me. Nigh on punch perfect.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I honestly think James Toney and Mike McCallum belong above everyone in the holding tier and the time is certainly right to start mentioning their worth. Since we're nearing the 100 mark I think the mexican trio of Morales, MAB and JMM are in the conversation as well.


    I'd have each of those I mentioned in Tier 8 with Hoya, Canto, Tiger, Angott and Johnson.
     
  12. McGrain

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    No they are joined at the hip. But I can go back and tidy at any point, what I want now is to get these two boxes sorted out...
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Toney over Foster? For an old Holyfield at heavy? Remember how **** he was at 175???!?!

    McCallum I can roll with.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Nah, Sanch' is higher.

    What are we doing now then, last tier and the holding area?
     
  15. McGrain

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    I understand, but i'm interested in what I have to hand, not who's coming next.

    New guys can drop in anywhere we argue them. It's soft now - I could have mentioned about 30 guys in the last batch. But that just makes things unmanagable, the guys i've picked tend to be representitive of one wave or another at this point. I do still need suggestions but i'm interested now in what we actually have listed, at least for the next few hours.