Chris John: What's the deal?

He didn't.

Watch the fight.

 

Relax man, he's just like that. He's always got it 120-108 for the guy who celebrates cinco de mayo.

 

You're mostly right here, dude.

Divac is notorious for his 'scoring' skills.

He had RJJ/Tito a draw. :rofl

In this case, however, I'm embarrassed to be in agreement with him. I thought JMM edged round 2.

Overall, the fight was close. The only American boxing writer present scored it for John.

(JMM was deducted a point for a low blow)

 

When I watched round 2 some moments ago and saw how easily Marquez won it, you damn right it pissed me off how leisurely you posted John won it.

Go take a look at it right now and come back to me and say it was even competitive?

 

It was very close.

Hint: You have to actually LAND to score.


I gave it to Marquez, but not by much.

 

John is a great fighter and one of the biggest if not the biggest sporting figure in Indonesia.

 

Rewatched it again because of this thread.

Decent non-action but high skilled fight, but both guys miss an awful lot. Round 5: very good stuff. Rounds 8 and 12 are notable as well. Many close rounds, notably 5, 8, 10, and 12. As for the point deductions, I thought the second one was warranted. The "fouls" the ref called for most of the fight were in fact legal blows, but JMM does go south with clear and hard shots in the 9th and twice in the 10th, as well the 11th which by that point even if they aren't intentional, I have no problems with taking away a point.

John-JMM
1: 9-10 for JMM
2: 9-10 for JMM
3: 10-9 for John
4: 10-9 for John
5: 9-10 for JMM
6: 10-9 for John
7: 10-9 for John
8: 10-9 for John
9: 9-10 for JMM
10: 9-9 for JMM, point deducted from JMM
11: 10-8 for John, point deducted from JMM
12: 10-9 for John

Total: 115-111 for John
w/o point deductions: 115-113 for John

My past times scoring the bout, I must have given JMM one of the other rounds, probably the 12th, which I debated going even on this go around. Once again, it was a very close fight with close rounds. Not a robbery.

It is interesting to see JMM against one of his best opponents and doing the majority of the stalking as well as lunging in with power combinations.

As for the dude who scored it 10-2 JMM, you're going to come in this thread and say other people don't know how to score? Please, post your round by round scorecard, which I doubt you even have. People pretend they've watched this fight and say "blah blah blah" about it but most everybody hasn't seen the fight at all.

 

I love it when you hear people say JMM was robbed or it was a home town decisions because you know then their a boxrec hero who didn't watch the fight

 

Jabs, powershots, bodyshots, all around effective blows were landed by Marquez.

It was'nt a situation where John was making Marquez miss either.
When Marquez missed, the next shot after that would land. He landed the effective blows of this bout case closed.

I wish more people would actually take the time to watch the fight to see for themselves.

Hard to see a single round there where you can actually say, "now that was a good round for John!" He just did'nt come at it with anything that was effective.

Easy to tell the clean connects John landed to. The announcing crew which is indonesian all went into orgasmic spasms with big "ooooooohhhhhhhh's! "
Count how many times that happens and you got the ammount of clean hard effective connects John landed the entire fight! :deal

For Gods sake, the indonesian boxing fans were walking up to Marquez apologizing for the decision! lol::yep

 

Really?

Then why has he defended his title in Japan (x3), USA (x2), Australia (x2) & Singapore (x2) ?

Which other current world champion has defended his title on the road so many times?

 

Addressed in the order of what you say:

JMM did great body work, but so did John, who emphasized going to the body in return.

It was a case of John making Marquez miss. Was Marquez intending to miss?

Most of his clean shots were in exchanges where he'd land one of the three or four shots. In almost every exchange, John fires back, usually with a lesser blow, but lands nearly as much even in the exchanges that favor JMM. Take those exchanges out of the equation, JMM barely landed any stand alone shots whereas Johns' jab was on point.

Not "case closed." He landed the MOST effective blows of the bout, but not the majority of the blows. Boxing is scored round by round. Did JMM win his rounds clearer? Yeah. But he only had a few of those.

I just watched the fight. Most everybody who states they have gone out of their way to see it say that it was a John win with the minority saying JMM won by a close tally.

Rounds where you can say "now that was a good round for John!" include: 4, 6, 7, 8, and 11. I also gave him 3 and 12 but they were closer than the five rounds I listed for you.

I don't get swayed by commentators. So that's irrelevant. It seemed that they were pointing out just as fairly when JMM scored, just not as passionate obviously.

Sure. If that's what works for you. Plenty of people told Mundine that he had beaten Geale in the rematch. Doesn't change the fact that he lost 10 rounds.

Those are pretty undeniable numbers...

I mean, not quite as many, but Anselmo Moreno is a road warrior: Germany X2, France X2, USA X2, and Venezuala once.

 

Your bias (or myopia) is evident.

You called it 10-2.

Even Marquez's team only had the temerity to claim 7-5.

As you might say, CASE CLOSED.

 

Divac is one of the worst scorers on this site but I do agree with the spirit of his posts...Absolutely no doubt Marquez got robbed.