The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Well he's not even concensus top 5 in his own weight division; he doesn't have a great resume; his dominance, whilst impressive, is marred by those two losses to solid contenders.

Fair enough. I'll hold him back and we'll see who comes through the pipe.

 

You can argue Lennox higher on that list for sure - i'm not sure that would get him in to a p4p list anyway though. That is, you could make very reasonable primevprimve h2h arguments for Holyfield and Tyson both over Lennox and they're a "weight class" lower. You could also argue resume.

I think they're in the same sort of class as heavies, unquestionably, but Leiws being far the bigger man does matter.

 

I think he's an atg heavy too.

But it's a p4p list. Who did Lewis beat apart from old Holy (in itself arguable) that you'd rank pound for pound higher than Walcott or Charles (as heavies)?

Pound for pound, even a faded charles is better than all or most of what Lewis has.

Toss in the total domination of the field, and what have you got?

 

Although he may creep on yet, you never know. He's garnered a little support already.

 

This thread has turned into an utter beast. I think I might write it up. I'll name you luf and flea, if you're interested.

And if we get there.

 

Tier I

1) San Langford
2) Harry Greb
3) Ray Robinson
4) Henry Armstrong
5) Bob Fitzsimmons
6) Ezzard Charles
7) Muhammad Ali
Benny Leonard

Tier II
Joe Gans, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, Packey McFarland, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard.

Tier III
George Dixon, Joe Walcott, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin, Sandy Saddler.

Tier IV
Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons.

Tier V
Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins, Tommy Ryan, Jimmy Wilde.

Tier VI
Mike Gibbons, Evander Holyfield, Fighting Harada, Michael Spinks, Thomas Hearns, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams, Jimmy Wilde, Rocky Marciano, Young Corbett.

Tier VII
Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez, Abe Attell, Wilfredo Gomez, Freddie Steele.

Tier VIII
Oscar De La Hoya, Sammy Angott, Miguel Canto, Harold Johnson, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger, Lloyd Marshall, Jack Dempsey (np).

Tier IX
Fritzie Zivic, Pascual Perez, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Jimmy Driscoll, Freddie Welsh.

What about these guys? (Holding)
Larry Holmes, Benny Lynch, Kid Norfolk, James Toney, Teddy Yarosz, Juan Manuel Marquez, Sammy Mendell, Vincente Saldivar, Pete Herman, Mike McCallum, Azumah Nelson, Freddie Steele.



Big one, but no worries. There is loads of space in the two pods above. We now have 90 names on the list.