The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

The one thing I dont like is his failure to make the thil fight and his refusal to allow apostoli in under 160.

His stats are great, he looks beastly, great win list, few meaningful losses. But that mentality is a question mark I have.

 

hmmmmmm I see what you're trying to do there.

 

No fair enough your list I just thought he was worth giving a shout

 

Risko was the caveman lee of 30s middles.

 

Still not comfortable with Jofre>Harada (the Jap' has the more impressive P4P credentials too) but as it appears that Harada is inside the top 50, I've done well.

 

Larry Holmes, Benny Lynch, Kid Norfolk, James Toney, Teddy Yarosz, Juan Manuel Marquez, Sammy Mendell, Vincente Saldivar, Pete Herman, Mike McCallum, Azumah Nelson.

Given my view on Holmes.
Toney - not just yet. He was a roid cheat we also have to remember. Forced McCallum to cut 10lbs each time and fought Mike at the end of his career. Yeah sure, I have him winning fight 1, with fight 2 it's very even - but external conditions i.e age and weight disadvantage for McCallum make me say this says more for Mike's overall greatness than it does for Toney.
McCallum's gradual move from light middleweight to cruiserweight is also a good feat.
I think it's the right place for Mike. He had many close wars so he never really shutout his opponents the way Roy did to him for example.

 

Agreed, good post.

 

You mentioned the dreaded name, Juan Manuel Marquez. I don't feel like you can mention him without mentioning Barrera and Morales. I believe they deserve the same bracket.
Barrera and Morales have better names for sure, but Pacquiao x 3 is pretty monstrous to be honest. Juan's longevity and his skill level as a counter puncher is extremely solid. He did still edge a slightly past prime (but still legit) Barrera too (just about), so that's why I think he should be in the same bracket.
I think I have Barrera as the greatest of the three.

 

I used to have Barrera highest. But **** Marquez. Can't figure out where to place him so I don't now.

 

Might was well toss Fidel LaBarba's name out there for consideration...

* Thrown to the wolves almost immediately, he faces Jimmy McLarnin three times in his first five bouts; manages a draw in one of them.
* Scores a decision over Frankie Genero to win the Flyweight World Championship
* Scores a pair of victories over Bud Taylor, considered one of the better bantams in history
* Scores a victory over Kid Chocolate, and runs him extremely close in their other two fights.
* Decision over future Top 20 at feather, Petey Sarron
* Holds victories over a whole host of solid contenders like Tommy Paul, Kid Francis, Bushy Graham, Earl Mastro, Elky Clark, Georgie Rivers, Clever Sencio.

Really, LaBarba was matched about as tough as anyone has been from the start of their career, and still managed to win an undisputed championship, collected some very impressive scalps, and accumulate a fine record in almost 100 fights, and avoid being stopped in his entire career.

Yeah...I say he deserves placement on this list. Tier IX or Tier X at the absolute worst.

 

I dunno'. The 'not many middles can' is not strictly true. Jirov was very good but not brilliant and a bit past his physical best. I'll imagine there's quite a few former middles that have beaten similar opposition between 180-200lbs. And not while fat, although I actually think those performances make me appreciate his pure skill and toughness even more.

He is old school. I could see him in the 80-100 bracket. Then again where is Stribling, Harold Johnson, Hell, where da funk is Jimmy Ellis

Also, is Eddie Booker that far behind the other listed 'Murderers Row' members?