The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Nelson over McCallum is a definite no-no from me. Saldivar in tier 7 seems about right nice work :good

 

Just pushing this post further up

 

Didn't see it. Sorry.

Still, assuming that the crowd just got caught up in the rally, the fact is that he got a ton of other good work done. And a loss to Marshall really isn't that big of a deal, since a case can be made that he was at/near his prime around that time.

 

It may well be

Scalps and number of defences are there. Incredible all round ability is there. A young champion as well.

But;

Did he deserve to beat Chitalada second time round?
Did he deserve to beat Zapata first time around?
Did he deserve to beat Isidro Perez?
Longevity; Does 5-7 quality years and a couple in decline with some phoned in prime showings, see him qualify? I think his first title run, before he started getting knocked about by the likes of Ohashi, was a run of the highest quality. As good (if not better) than some of the great flys and most importantly in a good light flyweight division.

How good was his division/era and was he truly dominant?

We have already established that some highly placed guys missed one or two guys out. I don't think Chang can be criticised for not fighting Yuh. I also think it's pretty clear that Chang was Yuh's superior in terms of competition faced and manner of victory.
What about his off nights? Does bouncing back against Torres in their rubber match make up for the horrific second fight?

 

I was thinking the same thing about nelson

 

I just feel McCallum was greater.

Jackson-Curry-Kalule-Watson-Harding-Toney-Kalambay-Mannion-Graham-Collins-Minchillo is as good when you consider it's over a few weights. Both men needed a few attempts to truly vanquish some foes. I'll take McCallum over Nelson. Both all-rounders but I'll say McCallum possessed the stronger individual weapons.

 

McCallum beat better fighters than that imo, and his longevity was almost as good as Nelson's impressive time as a top fighter: 80s\early 90s feather\super feather isn't quite as good in depth of really good fighters as junior middle\middle.Some of those performances were a bit pish as well(Grove, Laporte, Ruelas 1, Leija, fenech 1 Martinez 1), whereas McCallum was far more consistent than Nelson.

I couldn't imagine him getting worked over by someone who had come up the divisions using a bruising physical style like Nelson did with Fenech.

 

I think Chang was more able than Canto. There's not much between them unless we're taking into account the historical relevance of Canto's division, which I do tale into account.

In terms of the actual quality of opposition, I'm not sure that Oguma, Betulio and Vargas are much better than Zapata, Sot and Torres.

I'd like to hear everyone's reasoning for Canto>Chang please.

 

Lora has weighed in as well. Could more public support convince you to reconsider?

Also what is worse; getting schooled by Kalambay or mauled by Fenech? Fenech was past his best physically let's not forget and Sumbu was hitting his absolute peak (most probably) BUT there was a quicker turnaround for Nelson to avenge the 'draw' and he did it in more emphatic fashion starching Jeff than McCallum did having a close one with Sumbu.

 

In the case of Labarba, though, I could easily rank him 70-75, and not feel at all guilty about it. Tier IX or X was thrown out there as a basement, not a ceiling for Fidel.

I'd have the Body Snatcher over The Professor, too, based on consistency.