The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Thanks McVey, I think that means we have another spot guys - Barrera, anyone?

    What all you young guys are doing whilst the desert eagle is picking out this problem is beyond me.
     
  2. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    You have Kilbane in X and XI. I'd have Yarosz in IX
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I've shorted I'm afraid, I'm no more than a mere spectator at this point but keep up the good work!
     
  4. anj

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    Benitez>Morales just about.

    What does Barrera have that Morales doesn't?
    1. He won the rivalry against an ATG (Morales himself) Morales x 2
    2. Very, VERY close fight with Marquez, past Barrera's prime.
    3. Prince Naseem Hamed - A complete masterclass.
    4. Kennedy McKinney
    5. Paulie Ayala
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    Morales
    1. Pacquiao 1 (Already past Morales' prime)
    2. Barrera 2 (Lost the rivalry)
    3. Junior Jones - just a year removed from Barrera's losses to him.
    4. Paulie Ayala
    5. In-Jin Chi, Guty Espadas Jr, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez
    6. Competitive against the new generation of top 140lber's when the shell of who he was.

    Summarised:
    MORALES - BARRERA
    Pacquiao 1 > Morales 1
    Barrera 2 > Hamed
    Jones < Morales 3
    Ayala = Ayala
    Morales' competition > Barrera's competition
    Morales' longevity > Barrera's longevity
    Wayne McCullough win < Barrera's close loss to Marquez, past Barrera's prime.

    Dafuq?
    Am I starting to see Morales as greater? :eek: Nevertheless, it's still ridiculously close and you can't really separate these guys from eachother as there's really no real difference.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You caught me in the middle of the edit is all...

    :lol:

    :lol:We have the power.


    OK. There's 99. That will do for just the moment. I'm going to drop in Barrera unless I meet a lot of stiff opposition in favour of someone else.

    Then I have some issues I want to raise with the list.

    Then i'll ask for the issues you have with the list. Then i'll start the real work, which is numerising the tiers.
     
  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Battalino is a one I was thinking about but I was worried that suggesting him might make Mcgrain's head explode
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Guty Espedas Jr wasn't all that and Morales didn't look great first time around.

    Shopworn he might've been but Zaragoza was a far more impressive scalp IMO.

    Anyway, if Frazier is being considered than Foreman should. Lineal champion at 45? Lovely stuff.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I could be given to taking Lewis out for Foreman without any prompting at all based on the second career.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Nah, don't do that :D
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, i'm doing it. So we have a 100 on the page i'm dropping Barrera in and he'll be my #100 in the unlikley event nothing should change. It works.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Great thread this gents. Maybe the pinnacle of all our research and debate over the years. It's all coming to a head.
     
  12. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :cool: great thread
     
  13. McGrain

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    Tier I

    1) Sam Langford

    2) Harry Greb

    3) Ray Robinson

    4) Henry Armstrong

    5) Bob Fitzsimmons

    6) Ezzard Charles

    7) Muhammad Ali

    Benny Leonard

    Tier II
    Joe Gans, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, Packey McFarland, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard.

    Tier III
    George Dixon, Joe Walcott, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin, Sandy Saddler.

    Tier IV
    Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons.

    Tier V
    Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins, Tommy Ryan.

    Tier VI
    Mike Gibbons, Evander Holyfield, Fighting Harada, Michael Spinks, Thomas Hearns, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams, Jimmy Wilde, Rocky Marciano, Young Corbett.

    Tier VII
    Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez, Abe Attell, Wilfredo Gomez, Freddie Steele, Vincente Saldivar.

    Tier VIII
    Miguel Canto, Harold Johnson, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Welsh, Jack Dempsey (np), Jim Driscoll.

    Tier IX
    Fritzie Zivic, Pascual Perez, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Azumah Nelson, Mike McCallum, Sammy Angott, Lou Ambers, Oscar De La Hoya.

    Tier X
    Sammy Mendell, Pete Herman, Teddy Yarosz, Young Griffo, Johnny Kilbane,

    Tier XI
    Jake LaMotta, Erik Morales, Wilfred Benitez, Larry Holmes, Benny Lynch, Juan Manuel Marquez, James Toney, Fidel LaBarbara, Beau Jack, Lennox Lewis, Kid Berg, Ad Wolgast, Marco Antonio Barrera.

    Missing Out
    Kid Norfolk, Les Darcy, Tiger Flowers.

    Also considered
    Joe Frazier, Apostolini, Joe Calzaghe, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Kid McCoy, Nico Locche.



    Order of businss



    1) I'm going to raise some issues I have with the list.

    2) Any issues you have with the list are to be raised and discussed.

    3) Numerise the tiers.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Don't worry about McGrain , those Jocks can take punishment.
     
  15. McGrain

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    It's not over yet my dudes, loads to do...and i'm definitely going to article it at the end. Too good not to. I happen to have March off...