The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Dixon down and Whitaker up, other two stay put.

 

The question is, why would you put Oscar De La Hoya down? In fact, you put him to the end of that tier.

 

Whitaker's around 20th.

 

DLH was in his (then) natural weight class against Mayweather, and wasn't quite as far removed from his prime. Mayweather still won pretty clearly on my card.

Cotto appeared somewhat rejuvenated going into his fight with FMJ, but was considered damaged goods, at least to some extant, following wars with Margo and Clottey. Plus that fight was at a catch-weight.

On the flip side, Floyd shuts out JMM, but Marquez is coming up in weight and Floyd was unable to meet the catch-weight stip...

Same tier ....Different reasons, but same tier. If Pac ranks above FMJ, then so be it. But he's not that far above him, no matter what the *******s say.

 

'The fighers around him, to a man, beat better men.'

Can you rephrase? I didn't quite understand it.

 

Please can we save Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather rankings to the very end? The whole forum will have a **** load to say about it.

 

De la Hoya

Lets take it from the Paez fight, Paez was four years past his best and was challengeing up at lightweight two weights above his featherweight best fighting days, and he had already had three unsucessful world tittle fights at the higher weight after being defeated by De la Hoya Paez lost his next three fights


De la Hoya's next name opponent was John john Molina in 1995 yes i admit a good fighter but again a smaller fighter moving up in weight and he had been at world level since 87-88. so for most fighter's 8yrs at world level would suggest he had already peaked and probably just starting to slide at best. after being defeated by De la Hoya he was to try twice more for world honours getting beaten each time the second of which was back down at his more natural weight of super-feather


Rafael Ruelas - Now i have to admit to being impressed with Oscar in this fight and in fact Ruelas never hit true world level again after this fight . The downside about this fight was that De la Hoya gave up the IBF belt which is a bit odd as i thought De la Hoya wanted as many belts as possible


Genaro Hernandez -Again a very good fighter and a solid world champion but another super-featherweight moving up to challenge De la Hoya . After getting beaten by De la Hoya , Hernandez did win another world tittle but back down at supre-feather where he was obviously more naturally suited.


J.J.Leija - Just two fights before fighting De la Hoya , Leija had lost in a WBC world tittle fight . Yes you guessed it at super-featherweight and his next two fights after this loss that propelled him into his tittle fight with Oscar were against two fighters that had reached the journeyman opponent stage of their career's. After getting beaten by De la Hoya did leija stay at lightweight .No , surprise he moved back down to super-featherweight.


J.C.Chavez- now this was Chavez two years past his loss to randall so we are certainly talking a chavez past his best by a few years, But well done to Oscar he got the win.


P.Whitaker - Now fair play to Oscar for winning this fight but again i must state this was not a fighter in his prime . Which is not Oscar's fault just as it was not John H Stracey's fault he beat a past prime Napoles. After this fight Whitaker had three fights and could not get a win .


D.Kamau- Lost in a light-welterweight tittle challenge to J.C. Cavez in 95 he then had just two fights against unrrated tomato cans before getting the call to challenge Oscar. After predictably getting beaten handily by De la Hoya he had i think 4 more fights in which he went 2-2


H.Camacho- now this was a Camacho that was three years on from getting beaten by trinidad . so i think that says it all really


J.C.Chavez II - Chavez was a badly shot fighter by this time and this is not a fight to dwell upon.


which brings us up to 1999

From 1999 onwards was when Oscar's level of competion really picked up for me. his record in world tittle fights for this period i think is won 7 , lost 5 this includes the sturm fight so it could of easily and probably should be W6 - L6 .

so i feel i am valid in my opinion that before 1999 the better names on De la Hoya's record were either smaller men moving up or fighters at least two years past their best and in some cases both . Oscar was moved well and with a calculated minimum risk until 1999 and i know you have moved him down a teir Mcgrain but for me he is in the bottom teir of a top 100

for any spelling and grammar mistakes i am sorry:yep

 

I think Pacquiao's greater than Harada.

LMR, Mayweather, and Hopkins should all be right there next to them as well, but that makes for a giant tier VI. Still, it's nice, because I don't like Hopkins a full two tiers below Monzon & Hagler at all.

 

Seriously though I don't think I am nitpicking , I am not even exaggerating its all fact in reaction to the bias of the Oscar fanboy cross dressing club:blurp