Who has the better SMW title resume... A Ward or S Collins?

I remember Collins while i was growing up, and have to say every time i saw him fight he was like a beast, who destroyed everything he fought. i don't get that feeling watching ward fight, so for that reason i say Collins.

 

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Collins had the better resume but Ward is still semi-active and has a chance to improve on his record. The only fair comparison of these two great Irish fighters can be done when Ward has retired.

 

I would say Darius was the fight to make. I think Roy should have taken the fight anyway, Steve came out to Pensacola and jumped into the ring to call Roy out in front of his own fans.

Yeah fair enough, but Steve was obviously more deserving of a fight than guys that Roy did fight. As said, I don't think it was Reggie or Steve, he could have fought both, and that retired 168 WBO champ would have been one of Roy's signature wins. I think Roy knows he should have fought Collins, and it hangs over him, which is why he's agreeing to fight Steve now 14 years later.

I'm not sure the Mayweather comparison works, Floyd has been facing the top guys in the divisions he's fought at, Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Mosley, Marquez are all bigger names than the guys Roy faced at this time.

Always great to have some insight into the sport from guys involved, and John Scully seems like one of the good guys in the game. I bet he never wanted to talk about what happened in that interview, but with what Chad was saying he had no choice but to clear his name and I respect that

True, I completely agree with you here. For guys like Roy and Chad, they were completely healthy at the weights they were at, to get down in weigh they had no fat to lose, only muscles and fluids and that's not healthy. Can only hope Chad can recover

But Frazier was a credible fight? :huh

Nice diversion, but you didn't answer my question. Steve Collins losing to Mccallum in 1990, and Mike losing to Roy in 1997 has no bearing on how Steve would do against Roy! Irishny is exposed once again

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knockout artist,

Hi mate, thanks for the reply.

Yes the DM fight was the one everyone wanted to see, but I'm talking about that specific moment in time in 1999, when Collins challenged Roy. At that moment, Roy had the 2 major belts, and Reggie had the other one. We know that Roy didn't want Nunn, and we know what happened to DM with regards to him being stripped etc. But at the point when Collins got in the ring, Roy was the WBA and WBC champ rightly or wrongly. Reggie had the IBF. So at that specific moment in time, the fight to make was a unification fight with Reggie.

Steve was a lot more deserving of a fight than most of Roy's 168 defences. But Steve didn't fight at 175. So even though he was a thousand times better than Frazier, Frazier was a mandatory in that division. Steve had never fought at 175, and he'd been retired. As I've mentioned, even if Roy had've agreed to fight Steve, it would have been a disaster anyway. Because he pulled out against Calzaghe through injury and he was forced to retire. So even if Roy had've agreed to it, and HBO had've wanted it, the fight would never have happened anyway. If Steve was that desperate to face Roy, he should have fought at 175 earlier, to try and win a belt and move up the rankings. I don't think it hangs over Roy. Roy just wants to fight while as long as possible. Roy will fight anyone if the money's right at around 190 pounds.

I could have used a better example. I just used Floyd because he's the man right now, like Roy used to be. Floyd fights at 147. My point was, if a tough, durable, former 140 guy who hadn't fought for 2 years, got in the ring and challenged Floyd after Guerrero, then it would be instantly dismissed, especially if he wasn't a huge name, and he didn't bring any money in. It wasn't a dig at Floyd, I was just trying to give a hypothetical example from the present time.

Scully's great, I've spoken to him before on here. I think Chad should be ashamed of himself to be honest.

He's back with Eddie, but it won't last. He needs to take a good hard look at himself. He's had nearly 10 trainers I believe. How old is he 30? He needs a good talking too!

Roy in an interview where he talks about DM, shakes his head and says to the interviewer, I've no idea how he could have become a mandatory, when asked about Frazier. It was a disgrace really. But again, Frazier was a 175 fighter. Collins was a retired former 168 fighter. So really, at the time, Frazier was a more credible fight. That sounds ridiculous, but it's true. Any guy that becomes a mandatory by been active and fighting in that division, holds precedence over someone who's been retired, and who's never fought there. Collins in 1999, had no ranking whatsoever at 175.

Also, at the time the Frazier bout was made, Roy knew that a potential fight with Reggie was just around the corner. So he was never going to kick up a fuss, when he knew he'd soon have the opportunity to become the unified champ.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Its ridiculous that you assholes are giving this troll attention. Letting his threads die with no replies hurts him way worse then anything you can say.

 

After looking over their two resumes, it's actually closer than i thought between them. Collins has more depth in terms of fringe contenders than ward, probably because of being around for longer. Depends how much credit you give him for the eubank and benn wins i suppose.

Anyway, I still think Ward's resume is better, not by much but he doesn't have any losses which counts in his favour. Also, Ward still has a lot of mileage left in his career and will end up with a far better record when everything's said and done. If they met prime to prime in the ring there would only be one winner.

 

lol @ British boxing fans. Just...lol.

 

No he wouldn't.