Is it safe to say Wladimir got the worst chin of the top 10 heavyweights?

Damn, I was almost sure you were Lamon Brewster for a day.

 

I thought he was Shannon Briggs. Briggs strikes me as a pretty intelligent guy and Magna is obviously quite smart given the nature of his posts. We'll probably never find out though.

 

Magna did say he had blown up to 270 pounds, so has Briggs.
Coincidence or?



But maybe not:
[url]http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=260198&page=3[/url]

Also it's probably better for Manga to remain anonymous, when you're anonymous your ego doesn't stand in your way. You can just tell the truth and nobody will know you said it.
And also haters can't "troll" him.
It's nice to have him on esb.

 

Definitely. Excellent poster.

 

I swear Briggs used to post here as Shannon The Cannon or something, pretending to be his own best fan. I've read things that Briggs has written, and that user had the same style. He ignores punctuation a lot.

 

O.K, then your argument is consistent here.

For most people who use the era argument it is not.

 

I firmly believe that the vast majority of major league hitters have only appeared in the last few decades. This also corresponds with a general increase in natural size and, perhaps unnatural, strength. A big puncher in Louis's day would have been demonstrating that power against LHWs and the like, whilst a big puncher of the modern era has to have that power tried and tested against much larger and more durable opponents. It simply doesn't hold true that you can take a puncher from any era and transplant them into another era and expect them to still demonstrate the same power. There are too many variables. If Adamek were put into Louis's era he'd be considered to have very respectable one-punch power, since he already demonstrated that at LHW and in the Cruisers, and he'd be fighting a similar size of opposition there. Currently he's considered something of a light hitter. Galento, transplanted into today's era, would have to be stacked up against Price, Haye, Helenius, both the Klits, Mago, Mitchell, Wilder and co. I don't see him punching harder than any of those guys.

Not really since I've already said that I believe Sanders to be a very dangerous early-rounds fighter, similar to someone like Judah. What I find shocking, well, perhaps shocking is the wrong word, but mildy baffling, is people criticising Wlad's chin because he was dropped by Sanders, as though Sanders couldn't crack an egg.

Galento dropping Louis is more of a criticism against Louis's often iffy defence and concentration level than his chin, since it was clearly a flash KD.

How does it have no impact on Louis's chin? Does getting hurt not relate to one's ability to absorb damage? Stop concentrating on the fact that he didn't get knocked down. He was buzzed, woozy and on rubber legs from the punches of a middleweight. That's easily one of the biggest indictments against Louis's chin I can think of.

Naseem Hamed was dropped numerous times but had a solid beard.

He would have had to have been around Valuev's size to make up for his lack of natural speed and snap. Fighters like Firtha and Tye Fields display similar athletic ability in the ring to Simon, and whilst heavy handed, neither man can be considered the biggest punchers of their era.

By modern standards all of them save Buddy Baer and the Rock.

 

Sure, who are they?

Was Earnie Shavers not considered a devastating puncher? You clearly seem to think so, but since you're so fixated on records and results, what on his record puts him head and shoulders above the likes of Sanders? They both have one really quality win (Norton for Shavers and Wlad for Sanders) and both buzzed durable heavyweights in losing efforts (Ali and Vitali respectively).

Punching power does not equate to career success if you're lacking in other areas. Both men were.

 

They're both somewhat circular. You're arguing that the biggest punchers of Louis's era would have been the biggest punchers in any era, and hence Louis being stopped only once in his prime makes him a more durable fighter than someone like Wlad who was stopped three times in his.

I'm arguing that Sanders was a huge puncher because he dropped Wlad worse than anyone else and badly shook up Vitali, as well as dropping and stopping a number of lesser regarded but very tough heavyweights like Cooper and co.

However, you seem to think Sanders only gained his puncher's rep from the Wlad fight. He was long considered a very dangerous puncher before then.

It's a fact that the fighters Louis fought were on the whole much smaller men than the opponents Wlad has fought. To say that they all possessed the same sort of power and durability is quite a stretch.

Sanders was very athletic, actually. He was an all-round sports star in his high school, played rugby and had a very respectable hundred metres time. The fact that he was able to compete successfully in two very different sports in golf and boxing says a lot for his natural abilities, as does the fact that he so often didn't bother to train yet was still able to shake guys up.

His poor conditioning was partly lack of dedication to the sport, but also I suspect because he could get away with not training as hard as other fighters and still have some degree of success.

You might be discussing that but I'm talking about two things here: punching power and quality of chin. Sanders may or may not have been able to recreate the same result against Louis, I don't really care. But if he hit him with the same shots he was hitting Wlad with do you honestly not think Louis wouldn't go down?

Yes, I know he did, hence my bringing him up.