Why did the US not treat Joe Louis with more respect he gave his country everything..

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  1. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everyone contributed SOMETHING, even if by deprivation. EVERYONE.
     
  2. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this I understand and agree with, thats not whats being argued here though.

    Joe Louis was USED by those who had an interest including those tied to official government agencies involved with propaganda needs & interests both depending & needing Joe Louis' type figures...

    so they should have helped curb the problem with the IRS weighing taxes vs funds raised in these particular cases, but Did Not!
     
  3. Lord Tywin

    Lord Tywin Guest

    Used my ass! Joe Louis volunteered. He was not forced. He was not "used" anymore than anyone else.

    All this argument boils down to is blind hero worship. There is no special "Joe Louis" exemption just because he was a famous boxer.

    Joe Louis contributed a relatively small portion of his total income. It was not stolen from him. If I was making $2,500 a year in 1942 and gave $500 of my income to uncle Sam should I not be liable? That is just an ignorant argument both in terms of the actual nuts and bolts legality and in pure common sense.

    You act as if he was doing somebody a favor and would never expect to benefit from it. This was the greatest armed conflict in human history which completely changed the course of history and wiped out a significant portion of the human population. This wasnt vietnam. Dont kid yourself that everyone who enjoyed a taste of freedom in 1942 didnt hope to benefit from preserving that freedom by contributing to the effort. I seriously doubt if even after his tax issues Joe Louis would have denied that helping out the war effort was the right thing to do.

    As Magna said everyone made sacrifices, some made the ultimate sacrifice, most just happened to be smarter about how they handled those sacrifices than Joe Louis.

    To me its no different than a murderer saying he should have to pay his debt to society because he was didnt know it was illegal. Ignorance is rarely if ever a successful defense in any case. People who feel sorry for Joe because he was "ignorant" or "naive" are misguided at best.
     
  4. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    i was going to start in on this post but i'm not going to waste my time here except to say that your murderer analogy is shitty.
     
  5. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How did America treat Louis poorly? Did they put him in prison over his taxes?
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Louis raised over $100,000 for the Army, and Navy Relief Funds,and he paid the tax on it. For the Buddy Baer fight Louis earned $65,200 training expenses were deducted and the government received $49,000 Baer donated a % of hs purse too.
    Three days later Louis volunteered for the Army.
    After the Nova fight Ted Jones ,Louis's accountant told him he owed the IRS $81,000. "I said ok pay it" "he told me I didn't understand how to work big finance."So I asked him what should I do? he said ."Dont pay them; let it build up some more, then we can make a deal and settle for less" "What do I know? He's the tax guy, so I said ok Lord to Jesus, I wish I hadnt listened to him.Each year after that , my taxes seemed to double ."
    Joe Louis " My Life".

    Louis donated $75,000 of his purse fom the Abe Simon fight to the Navy Relief Fund ,Simon gave 15% of his.
    It was in the ring before this fight that Louis gave a speech saying.
    " Im only doing what any red blooded American would do.We gonna do our part,and we will win because we are on God's side"
    Any other sports figures donate their prize money for the war effort?
     
  7. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How much tax were boxers/ high earners supposed to pay in them days. weres this 91 percent coming from is that interest he had to pay on the tax he owed
     
  8. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i really think its morally wrong for any man to have to pay tax on donations to his country or any charity

    also no matter how much money one is earning, the tax man should be allowed to take anymore than 50 percent of yer earnings
     
  9. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    t, don't you think Joe Louis was warned often by his management and
    business advisors that he was pissing away too much money between bouts, on the golf course betting daily, on women ,on alimony etc.? We would read in the papers about his money vices over the years...Louis
    knew about all this, and just didn't or couldn't heed this advice...The government can't be responsible for anyone's excesses, and we must remember Louis even with all the back taxes he owed led a good life as a beloved figure to the day he died...Louis lived as if he didn't owe a penny..
    All he had to do from the beginning was after every bout, put away some dough for the inevitable taxes at the end of the year, but he didn't. Who is to blame ?
    P.S. Again, with all his owing millions in back taxes, Louis lived a good life
    very few of us experience...
     
  10. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    spot on. joe louis said the same thing himself and sugar ray robinson who ended up in a worse state at the end

    even though he was skint, joe still lived like a rich man cos of his status and the support of others. he was still allowed to play golf everyday, anytime he wanted. how many of us our in that position where we have that freedom to enjoy every day of our lives doing what we love most
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes mc. Barney Ross DIDN'T have to but at a late age volunteered to join the U.S. Marines and became a hero who saved many lives in a foxhole on
    Guadalcanal,and as a result of pain injuries and malaria, became addicted to morphine which forever ruined his life, his marriage, and the truly brave Ross died at a young age. Now THAT is a sacrifice...Louis just owed the IRS backtaxes, but lived as if he didn't....
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :deal
     
  13. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Because nobody is above the tax code"

    It certainly is odd if all your income is donated to the government war effort to then be charged heavy taxes for the money you donated to the government.

    But your thinking is certainly the thinking of tax bureaucrats.
     
  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :roll:

    Is it or is it not the fault of the individual for not planning for that? Simple question.
     
  15. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is certainly the way our ruling class and the bootlickers who support our ruling class look at it.