PED use is the ultimate excuse for fighters and trainers

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Smokin' Joe, Feb 24, 2013.


  1. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol, yeah, sure.
     
  2. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    If I was anti-Pac I'd be accusing him of roiding as so many have over the years. But I never have, I think he's clean. I don't like Roach or Pacquiao's largely ignorant fan-base, for sure. Manny himself is not a bad guy. I was one of the one's calling foul on all the meme's taking the **** out of him being knocked out that were posted here after the fight. And I'm anti-Pac? :patsch

    I think you're a decent poster most of the time, so I'm not going to say too much, but maybe you should get things straight before commenting.
     
  3. juice20

    juice20 Active Member Full Member

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    PED accusations and demanding testing and all that is posturing and ironic IMO......it's the pot calling the kettle black in many instances. Accusing fighters, while the accusing party has very likely done the very thing they are blowing smoke about. There may be clean fighters, but a high percentage have used, or do use, or will use something during the course of a career. Either everyone agrees to random testing, that tests more than just TE ratio, or STFU and accept PED use as an unspoken part of the culture like some other sports (sprinting, cycling in the past, etc etc) have. There really can't be any grey area.
     
  4. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    what can you do, the likes of Roy Jones and James Toney have been pioneers for everything thats bad about boxing when they were caught as proven juicers when testing was barely non existant and now every fighter is suspicious of such disgusting cheating from their opponent. Now testing is improving in regularity, more and more absolute disgraces in the fight game are sure to be hiding their dirty little secret just like Jones and Toney had been.
     
  5. ReE13

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    Look at this rat squirming Lmao
     
  6. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think its funny how ESB is all over Heredia for JMM and being in a picture with Rigo

    how come we didnt go nuts when Donaire was with Conte and even more nuts when Berto who uses Conte got busted

    ESB likes to pick and choose their agendas

    you cant have it both ways

    on one hand i dont think fighters should have anything to hide, take the test, if your clean it shouldnt be a problem

    on the other hand your beggin for tests and are yourself working with someone who is suspicious, aka Donaire and Conte

    maybe Donaire wants to prove what he does with Conte is clean and what Rigo does with Heredia isnt

    all i know is it appears testing demands will be a roadblock to maybe all superfights from now on

    a built in way to not fight certain opponents
     
  7. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    Everything I said is true, no squirming there.

    Who are you, and what's it to you?
     
  8. Smokin' Joe

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    Yep. If you accuse Heredia and not Conte, or Vice versa, you're a hypocrite, end of story.
     
  9. jeffjoiner

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    Actually, Nonito is fully random. Year round, 24/7, 365.

    Floyd gives the testers a certain window, say 8 weeks leading up to the fight.

    There's a huge difference between the two.
     
  10. dodong

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    if you take a closer look at both conte and heredia you'll realize that one is just a salesman.
     
  11. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree screaming PEDS can be used as a way to 'duck' fighters nowadays, but I believe it's only because we're not demanding everyone take random blood and urine testing. If we demand they ALL take the best possible testing, fighters have no room to use PEDS as an excuse not to fight. As long as fighters get to pick and choose, we'll have this issue..
     
  12. Smokin' Joe

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    Not sure what you mean. I'll tell you what I do know though.

    Heredia spends months physically training his fighter and is a good S&C coach by all accounts. Victor Conte knows nothing about S&C coaching and provides 'nutritional supplements' from behind the scenes.

    Everyone can see what Heredia does with Juan. No one knows what Conte does really. :conf
     
  13. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a great point. As long as we, the fans, support fights and fighter with no testing, this will continue to be an issue. If we only bought tickets and PPVs for fights with testing, things might change.

    Until then, the promoters have free reign.
     
  14. oatman12345

    oatman12345 Active Member Full Member

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    random blood and urine test needs to be mandatory in our sport
     
  15. PhilthyRich

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    noriego ducknaire is on PEDS too.

    his fake test me anytime is just a way to say conte has something new

    barry bonds said test me anytime as well