If this article on Norfolk is to be believed then he obviously has dementia. "The record books say I fought those guys? Hot dog!"
Yes indeed. Harry Keck's article would surely appear to amplify the magnitude of Tommy's 7-2-1 rematch win before what must have been a stunned crowd of around 12,000 Greb partisans at Forbes Field. [Do we have an actual attendance count? I'm guessing based upon the rain soaked return also at Forbes.] Trashing a peak and motivated Harry for a second consecutive time [although nearly five years after the first]! Are you kidding me? Surf-Bat, for equilibrium, you ought to post an account of the outcome from this second meeting [preferably from the same Harry Keck, if he witnessed and reported on it, if such an article from the Gazette Times can be provided]. At this stage of their careers, each was recorded as competing around the upper 160s for other bouts, although Tommy had four inches of height and three in reach, less of a stature disparity than Duran-Barkley. The younger Gibbons brother was simply great, period. Fight three was close for six rounds, until that thunderstorm seemingly electrified Harry, although Tommy still managed to hurt him with a hard right even after the deluge began [and we've seen how Tommy could hit on film.] Really, Greb didn't completely master him until fight four at MSG, right before Harry trashed Tunney. Regarding Norfolk, it seems he never recovered from what Tommy did to him. Only Wills and Langford had taken him out like that, and Wills apparently didn't separate him from his senses like that. Judging from this account, Norfolk did well to last another 30 years [but must've been a complete vegetable by the end].
As you wish senor :smoke : http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=yn1RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=H2gDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3638,3040392
:happy:hail Perfect! :good Would Harry's 1919 have gone 45-1 with Tom in the way? Keck's account is tremendous, as you have made this thread as well. The Gibbons brothers always deserve more careful scrutiny. Does Tommy take Harry out if this one's scheduled for 15? Something amazing to ponder. Many thanks, Sir!
:good I agree. I rank Tommy ahead of Gene Tunney. Look at his resume. Well, even Tommy admitted that fighting Greb in a shorter rounds fight and fighting him in championship distance fights are two completely different animals. The longer a fight goes the better it favors Greb. His limitless stamina and ability to get stronger as a bout wore on were the freakish hallmarks of his career.
Someone sent me that Kid Norfolk article years ago. I asked his daughter Minerva about him ever living/working in Phili and she said No way!
I talked with Fay Keiser Jr. over the phone yesterday. His father didn't talk about his career much to his family, but he did say that of all the fighters he faced- Gene Tunney, Tommy Loughran, Jeff Smith, Leo Houck, Young Stribling, Jimmy Slattery- that Greb was the greatest. Fay told his son "His nickname fit him perfectly. Like a windmill. He never stopped throwing punches at you from everywhere. He was always on top of you."
Freddie Welsh on Greb: http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...q=mickey+walker+dempsey+would+beat+greb&hl=en
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SFC1922...------en--20--1--txt-txIN-harry+greb+-------1 JUst wondering, does Klompton or anyone else have any details on the Pete Wring fight?