The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

So did the vast majority of fighters who appear higher on this list than Floyd. What are we going to do about that, turbo?

 

If floyd and PAC had fought about a year to 18 months ago how high would the winner of been on this list

 

Yeah , if he had beaten PAC what number would he of been on this list

 

Depends who would have won. For me, and I think I still stand by this, Floyd would have been behind Manny in terms of greatness even had he beaten Manny Pacquiao. It's okay now to rubbish Manny's 147lbs reign or to say it was mediocre, but it was something of a small miracle that he even managed to be successful there in the first place. This was a small guy, a former Featherweight who was losing to the likes of Erik Morales. Nobody expected this guy to move up so many divisions and bully the likes of Miguel Cotto, or even Antonio Margarito for that matter. Who here predicted that would happen? Nobody.

 

I picked him to beat cotto but I thought margarito would be to strong for him

 

In 2007, had you predicted Manny would be good enough to move up several divisions and reign as arguably the best Welterweight in the world? It was laughable.

 

Floyd would have eclipsed Pacquiao, in my opinion.

Avoiding Pacquiao is the biggest black mark on Floyd's legacy.

He would have distinguished himself as the clear number one fighter of his generation.

He would have been rated higher too, of course.

 

Just for fun...

Can someone here make a case for why Alexis Arguello, for example, deserves to be ranked higher than Manny Pacquiao?

It's debatable.

For me, Pacquiao would have still had the more stacked win column of the two, and nothing can ever erase the Filipino's achievements through multiple weight divisions. That sticks, no matter what.

 

Look at their careers as acwhole rather than just top 3 wins maybe? The Castillo Floyd beat and the Corrales he beat wad every bit as dangerous as the morales PAC beat. Moreso actually.

 

I'm fairly sure I've done that, turbotime.

You can go down the line and I think Manny not only has the more impressive top tier wins, but also the more depth too. Corrales? Good fighter. Castillo? A very good fighter. As good as the three amigos? Not in my estimation. MAB didn't look right on the night for me, but it doesn't change the fact that he was on the best run of his career when Manny absolutely steamrolled him. You'll find that Floyd apologists are constantly going on about how easily Floyd dispatches his opposition. Floyd never beat a fighter of MAB's caliber as easily as Manny did in 03. That's never happened.

 

I wouldn't have rated a victory over a Welter Pac too highly in and of itself, at least not in terms of suddenly launching floyd up all-time rankings or anything like that.I don't rate either that highly as Welters and Floyd is the bigger fighter.

It's true though what addie said about it being great manny even doing what he did at Welter.Without it he wouldn't get near a top 50 imo.

 

That might be why I rank Manny higher than you and McGrain, Lora.

For me, beating the likes of JMM, MAB, and EM is enough to get you into a top 50. This wasn't even the extent of his achievements pre Oscar De La Hoya. He had already notched up solid scalps below 126lbs. A four weight world champion with at least three great fighters on your win column, and good versions of them too? For me, it would win you a top 50 place. This all depends on how you rank the Mexicans too, and again, I obviously rate them higher than you and McGrain do.

 

Pacquiao beating Morales is about as good as Floyd beating Marquez. Barrera is a ridiculously good win too but to say that is what separates them is complete BS.

Floyd having never lost, having hardly lost rounds, beating elite opposition in the process gives him every right to be ranked over Pacquiao. You could flip a coin when sorting those 2 out though, a case can be made for either.

But saying Pac is definitely greater? Nope.

 

Turbo, please read all of my posts before you get trigger happy and click the 'reply' button. I've never once stated that the thing that separates Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr is a singular win over Marco Antonio Barrera. It's impossible to talk about Manny's achievements as a fighter without mentioned the MAB win because it really is that impressive, but there's much more to it than that. I'm not going to list the other fighters Manny has beaten. A, I've already done that, and B, you probably already know the names anyway.

We'll agree to disagree, but what separates Manny for me is not only his more impressive top tier wins, and his more stacked win column, but also his achievements through the weight divisions. This used to be the Flyweight champion of the world, let's not forget.

 

It's not like Manny really went from fly to welter, like Langford did from lightweight to heavy, as a smaller guy who went on to fight bigger guys (although the bigger weight cutters than him that he eventually fought were a shot Margo' and passive Clottey, still rate those wins mind). Unlike Alexis, he had the benefit of 24 hour weigh in's. He drained himself mega (and it cost him some fights to shots you'd never expect an iron man of his calibre to be affected by) and beating Sasakul, with a Hail Mary in a fight he was being schooled in (which impresses me, maybe even more) mainly down to one of the biggest size disparities ever seen in a title fight. It made Ben Villaflor Vs Kuniaki Shibata look like Lennox Vs Vitali.

Don't get me wrong I rate Sasakul AND I do rate the achievement of beating a lineal champ' at fly and doing it in much higher classes AND I rate Pacquiao higher than Floyd.

But I don't think him rising through the weightclasses is quite as astounding as it looks on paper, for the reasons above.

I will stress though that they're both in the same(ish) bracket for me, so I may be able to flip. I take ability as about, 15% of my criteria, and that benefits fighters there is a lot of film of, obviously as it's easier to gauge.

They both rank highly here. Manny is a phenomenal P4P beast but Arguello is my no.2 greatest puncher of all time. One of the very best punchers that has ever lived IMO. So he scores extremely high here.

I'll list Arguello's scalps, you list Manny's;

Jose Legra
Ruben Olivares
Billy Costello
Art Hafey
Vilomar Fernandez 1-1
Royal Kobayashi
Alfredo Escalera x2
Leonel Hernandez
Bobby Chacon
Bazooka Limon
Cornelius Boza Edwards
Rolando Navarette
Roberto Elizondo
Andy Ganigan
Ray Mancini
Jim Watt


And many other useful guys that Lora and Tin_Ribs know more about than me but that are as good as the Hussein's, Solis' and David Diaz's of Pac's resume. Pac' has the greater names with his main rivals (although is 3-0-1 down on my cards against, Pac' aside, the least impressive of the bunch) so he has a big edge here, although Arguello's bunch at super featherweight were bloody good themselves, and Arguello has Olivares too, who ranks higher than any of 'em on McGrain's list, albeit past the form that sees him so revered to this day. But still very good, as the ebb and flow of that fight shows.