Unofficial Divisional World Rankings March 2013 Update

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  1. Jonsey

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    Please let me know if there's any results I have missed in recent weeks.

    Rules

    1. Rankings are reflective of performances in fights, not necessarily official scoring, to mitigate the impact of poor judging.
    2. Fights can only be ranked in one division. Will only be ranked in a new division once they have fought there.
    3. Fights will NOT be ranked based on potential.
    4. Fighter must have fought within year or have a fight scheduled to be ranked.
    5. Only fights within the last 5 years count towards a ranking.
    6. Fight can be stripped of his world title if he loses in another division, or fails to fight a top 15 ranked fighter in a year.
    7. Vacant Championships will be decided by the No.1 ranked fight vs No.2 or No.3 unless;
    a) No.1 or No.2 ranked fighters have beaten No.3 ranked fighter, in which case the No.3 ranked fighter will not be eligible.
    b) No.1 ranked fighter has already beaten the No.2 within 5 years, in which case the No.1 ranked fighter can beat any ranked fighter to become champion.
    c) If a champion has been stripped of his title, as the No.1 ranked fighter they can beat anyone in the top 10 to become champion.




    March 2013 Update


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    2. Vitali Klitschko (WBC)
    3. David Haye
    4. Alexander Povetkin
    5. Kurbat Purlev
    6. Tony Thompson
    7. Eddie Chambers
    8. Tyson Fury
    9. Steve Cunningham
    10. Tomasz Adamek
    11. Chris Arreolla
    12. Odlanier Solis
    13. Ruslan Chasaev
    14. Malik Scott
    15. Dereck Chisora


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    2. Troy Ross
    3. Dennis Lebedev (WBA)
    4. Marco Huck (WBO)
    5. Ola Alafoabi
    6. Firat Arslan
    7. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk (WBC)
    8. Layteef Kayode
    9. Francisco Palacios
    10. Alexander Alekseev
    11. Danny Green
    12. BJ Flores
    13. Mateusz Masternak
    14. Rakhim Chakhkiev
    15. Giocabbe Fragomeni


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    1. Chad Dawson (WBC)*
    2. Bernard Hopkins
    3. Jean Pascal
    4. Sergie Kolarov
    5. Tavoris Cloud (IBF)
    6. Nathan Cleverly (WBO)
    7. Beibut Shumenov (WBA)
    8. Jurgan Braehmer
    9. Gabrio Campillo
    10. Karo Murat
    11. Cornelius White
    12. Andrezj Fonfara
    13. Tony Bellew
    14. Issac Chilemba
    15. Dennis Granchev


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    2. Carl Froch (IBF)
    3. Mikkel Kessler
    4. Arthur Abraham (WBO)
    5. Lucian Bute
    6. Sakio Bika
    7. Andre Dirrell
    8. Robert Stieglitz
    9. Brian Magee
    10. Edwin Rodriguez
    11. George Groves
    12. Thomas Oosthuizen
    13. Adonis Stevenson
    14. James DeGale
    15. Karoly Balzsay


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    2. Daniel Geale (IBF)
    3. Gennady Golovkin (WBA)
    4. Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr
    5. Matthew Macklin
    6 .Peter Quillin (WBO)
    7. Dimitry Pirog
    8. Hassan N’Dam N'Jikam
    9. Marco Antonio Rubio
    10. Gregorz Prozska
    11. Darren Barker
    12. Sam Solmion
    13. Martin Murray
    14. Andy Lee
    15. Brian Vera


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    1. Austin Trout (WBA)
    2. Saul Alvarez (WBC)
    3. Miguel Cotto
    4. Erislandy Lara
    5. Carlos Molina
    6. Zaurbek Baysangurov (WBO)
    7. James Kirkland
    8. Vanes Martirosyan
    9. Delvin Rodrigurez
    10. Alfredo Angulo
    11. Ishe Smith (IBFO
    12. Cornelius Bundrage
    13. Sergie Rabchenko
    14. Kieth Thurman
    15. Demetrius Andrade


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    1. Floyd Mayweather Jnr (WBC)
    2. Juan Manuel Marquez
    3. Manny Pacquiao
    4. Timothy Bradley (WBO)
    5. Robert Guerrero
    6. Devon Alexander (IBF)
    7. Paulie Mallignaggi (WBA)
    8. Josesito Lopez
    9. Kell Brook
    10. Marcos Maidana
    11. Victor Ortiz
    12. Andre Berto
    13. Leonard Bundu
    14. Vyacheslav Senchenko
    15. Jan Zaveck


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    1. Danny Garcia (WBC & WBA)
    2. Lucas Mathysse
    3. Amir Khan
    4. Lamont Peterson (IBF)
    5. Brandon Rios
    6. Zab Judah
    7. Michael Alvarado
    8. Pablo Cesar Cano
    9. Khabib Allakhverdiev
    10. Denis Shafikov
    11. Joan Guzman
    12. Ajose Olusegun
    13. Mauricio Herrera
    14. DeMarcus Corley
    15. Michelle De Rocco

    WBO - Juan Manuel Marquez (Ranked at 147lbs)


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    1. Adrian Broner (WBC)
    2. Richard Abril
    3. Miguel Vasquez (IBF)
    4. Ricky Burns (WBO)
    5. Antonio DeMarco
    6. Art Hovhannisyan
    7. Mercito Gesta
    8. Nihito Aeakawa
    9. Raymundo Beltra
    10. Gavin Rees
    11. Miguel Acosta
    12. John Molina
    13. Henry Lundy
    14. Marvin Quintero
    15. Ji Hoon Kim

    WBA - Vacant


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    1. Takashi Uchiyama (WBA)
    2. Juan Carlos Salgado (IBF)
    3. Juan Carlos Burgos
    4. Roman Martienz (WBO)
    5. Yuriorkis Gamboa
    6. Miguel Beltran Jnr
    7. Sergio Thompson
    8. Agenis Mendez
    9. Diego Magdaleno
    10. Gamaliel Diaz (WBC)
    11. Devis Boschiero
    12. Takahiro Ao
    13. Jorge Solis
    14. Marvin Honorio
    15. Edner Cherry


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    2. Chris John (WBA)
    3. Orlando Salido
    4. Celestino Caballero
    5. Juan Manuel Lopez
    6. Daniel Ponce De Leon (WBC)
    7. Jhonny Gonzalez
    8. Billy Dib (IBF)
    9. Ellio Rojas
    10. Cristobal Cruz
    11. Jonathan Victor Barros
    12. Hozumi Hasegawa
    13. Cristian Mijares
    14. Daud Yordan
    15. Alexander Miskirtchian


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    2. Guillermo Rigondeaux (WBA)
    3. Abner Mares
    4. Wilfredo Vasquez Jnr
    5. Jeffrey Mathebula
    6. Jonathan Romero (IBF)
    7. Akifumi Shimoda
    8. Victor Terrazas
    9. Scott Quigg
    10. Alejandro Lopez
    11. Vic Darchinyan
    12. Takalani NDlovu
    13. Carl Frampton
    14. Hugo Fidel Cazares
    15. Cristian Mijares

    WBC - Vacant


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    1. Anselmo Moreno (WBA)
    2. Leo Santa Cruz
    3. Shinsuke Yamanaka (WBC)
    4. Pungluang Sor Singyu (WBO)
    5. Joseph Agbeko
    6. Vusi Malinga
    7. Hugo Ruiz
    8. Koki Komeda
    9. Jamie McDonnell
    10. AJ Banal
    11. Rolly Matsushita
    12. Jesus Galicia
    13. Stephan Jamoye
    14. Julio Ceja
    15. Malcom Tunaco

    IBF - Vacant


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    1. Omar Navarez (WBO)
    2. Yata Sato (WBC)
    3. Kohei Kono (WBA)
    4. Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr (IBF)
    5. Cesar Seda
    6. Suriyan Sor Rungvisai
    7. Raul Martinez
    8. Tomás Rojas
    9. Rodrigo Guerrero
    10. Tepparith Kokietgym
    11. Tomonobu Shimizu
    12. Johnny Garcia
    13. Juan Alberto Rosas
    14. Nobou Nashiro
    15. Simphiwe Nongqayi


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    2. Brian Viloria (WBO & WBA)
    3. Hernan Marquez
    4. Moruti Mthalane (IBF)
    5. Nestor Danuel Navares
    6. Sonny Boy Jaro
    7. Milan Melindo
    8. Rodel Mayol
    9. Rocky Fuentes
    10. Edgar Sosa
    11. Giovani Segura
    12. Ricardo Nunez
    13. Juan Carlos Reveco
    14. Wilbert Uicab
    15. Froilan Saludar


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    1. Roman Gonzalez (WBA)
    2. Donnie Nietes (WBO)
    3. Adrian Hernandez
    4. John Riel Casimero (IBF)
    5. Kazuota Ioka
    6. Juan Palacios
    7. Armando Torres
    8. Mario Rodriguez
    9. Juan Hernandez
    10. Kompayak Porpramook
    11. Pedro Guevara
    12. Alberto Rossel
    13. Masayuki Kuroda
    14. Raul Garcia
    15. Sammy Gutierrez


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    1. Mario Rodrigurez (IBF)
    2. Ryo Miyazaki (WBC)
    3. Moises Fuentes (WBO)
    4. Nkosinathi Joyi
    5. Denver Cuello
    6. Akira Yaegashi (WBA)
    7. Wanheng Menayothin
    8. Katsunari Takayama
    9. Pornsawan Porpramook
    10. Paipharob Kokietgym
    11. Muhammad Rachman
    12. Hekkie Budler
    13. Kwanthai Sithmorseng
    14. Ivan Meneses
    15. Carlos Buitrago
     
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  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Respect for doing this. On a quick glance over, things that stood out to me which I disagree with. Some are my opinion, most of which are backed up with results, dates, or weights:

    At super flyweight: Tepparith just got knocked out hard by Kohei Kono. He should drop significantly, and there is no reason for anyone to be ranked ahead of Narvaez, with Sato as the only one worth debating at all.

    Miguel Acosta #7 LW? He's 1-3 in his last four, and only fought once last year. Way too high.

    Raul Garcia hasn't fought at 105 pounds since August of 2011. He can certainly not be considered a strawweight anymore. He weighed 112 for his last fight and is fighting for the "vacant WBC silver light flyweight title" next month.

    Andre Dirrell needs to be removed. He hasn't fought at super middleweight in 35 months.

    Segura shouldn't be ranked at flyweight due to inactivity. Didn't fight in all of '12. He came back last weekend weighing above the division limit.

    There is no justification to rank Golovkin ahead of Geale. Zero, none. Not possible.

    You recognize all of the "lineal champions" except for Chad Dawson. That is inexplicable. He is THE LHW champ of the world, end of story.

    Rico Ramos moved up to featherweight and just lost a 10 round UD. He needs to be removed from these 122 pound rankings. (Carl Frampton should be higher than 14)

    Gamboa has NOT done nearly enough at 130 pounds to be ranked ahead of Salgado, period. (If you factor in previous achievements from other weight classes, than Kazuto Ioka should be #2 at 108 pounds)

    Don't kid yourself. Tony Thompson is not a top 10 HW. Price wasn't either, and that win doesn't mask his recent career. Bryant Jennings, who isn't on your list, should clearly be ranked ahead of him.
     
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  3. Jonsey

    Jonsey Boxing Junkie banned

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    Thanks allot man.

    I agree with most and have made changes. I only disagree with what I quoted above and here is why.

    If a fighter is close to the weight in tune up fights they stay ranked there. Inactivity will effect a ranking though. So Dirrell and Segura stay ranked. Dirrell has wins over Froch and Abraham in my eyes.

    Check the rules. If a champion loses at another weight they lose there title. However Chad can win it back by beating a top 10 fighter.

    I think Frampton is awsome but he only has one legit win. I can't rank him ahead of the guys hes below.

    Thompson has KO wins over OK fighters....which sad to say makes you a top 10 HW these days. Bryant Jennings lol. Who has he beat? nobody simular to Price who wasnt ranked before.
     
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  4. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd dump Cano from the 140 list since his last fight was at 147 and he didn't even make the weight for that one.
     
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  5. Jonsey

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    he has stated his next fight will be at 140lbs
     
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  6. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ah thanks, I missed that. Though I guess I'll remain a bit skeptical about his ability to do so until I see it given what happened for the Malignaggi fight.
     
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Nice...

    Yeah, given your rules I guess. But if you have rules such as weighing above for a tune up not affecting their ranking at a lesser weight, than when a legit champion loses at a different weight class entirely but still has fought in his division within a year and he gets dropped there somehow there really is no reason or justification whatsoever for that. It may be one of your rules, but its dumb and takes away the validity of your list.

    You say your rankings only factors in the last 5 years. Well then explain the Thompson and Jennings thing again? Thompson is 6th yet Jennings is not in the top 15? Makes no sense.

    Tony Thompson, 6-2
    Two losses to Wladimir, those six wins over Adnan Serin, Owen Beck, Maurice Harris, Chazz Witherspoon, Paul Marinaccio, David Price; only 2 wins in the last 3 years

    Bryant Jennings, 16-0
    notable wins over Sergei Liakovich (better than all of the above spare for Chazz, edit: and Price), Bowie Tupou, Steve Collins, Maurice Byarm; all 16 wins in the last 3 years

    As for Dirrell... No one in their right mind has him their top 10 at 168. The fact is that he hasn't fought their in approaching 3 years. After a 20 month retirement and weighing above 168 twice since that time off, you've still put him in the top 10? Sorry dude, I mean everything I say with the most respect, but that reeks of fanboy and has no merit.

    Segura is one of my favorite fighters. Same thing with him. He's fought twice his whole career at flyweight, one a tuneup and one he barely won a round from Viloria. It's all opinion, but regarding Dirrell and Segura it is as close to fact as it gets that there is no justification whatsoever for them being ranked. Should previous accomplishments be recognized when they do something relevant again? Yes. But they absolutely have not.
     
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    Sorry but i see it the other way. You sound like a Jennings fan boy to me.

    Theres a big difference between fighting in another division, and fighting just above that division. Dirrell weighed 169 and 171.

    I will drop Segura down though.

    you cant have the champ going to another division and losing. the whole idea is that whoever is champ needs to have not lost there last fight. Dawson is able to win back his title literally by staying active and beating a ranked fighter. for me thats fair.
     
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  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Haha, far from a Jennings fanboy here.

    Dirrell's two opponents have been awful and the last one particularly utter garbage. It'd be different if he was fighting somebody half way decent at 170, say a Don George. He hasn't.

    Agree to disagree.

    Still glad somebody takes the time to do this, though. Thanks.
     
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    Dirrell is a difficult one. He has a win over AA and a possible win over Carl Froch who are highly ranked, so those wins results should still be considered. But his inactivity and poor form also come into consideration.

    I just don't think you can say the guys below him have done enough to be ranked ahead of him. If he goes another year without doing anything, the guys below will go ahead of him through winning meaningful fights, and his Froch & AA results becoming less significant.
     
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  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I wouldn't rank him on activity and weight as we've established, but even if he qualified and I was judging on merit I would list ahead of him most or all of Oosthuizen, Groves, Stevenson, Stieglitz, Rodriguez, and DeGale.
     
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  12. ludwig

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    Good stuff.

    At heavyweight, Helenius should probably be in the top 15. Banks arguably too. It's a tough call, but I'd boot Chagaev and Chisora. It seems strange to rate Helenius over Chisora but we should judge them both on more than just that one night. Not to say there is a problem with Chagaev and Chisora in the Top 15, I'd just do it a bit differently.

    At cruiserweight I think Lebedev deserves to be #1, but it's subjective cause the best haven't fought each other. Lebedev deserved the nod vrs. Huck and has beaten good competition since then in more convincing fashion than YPH or Huck. If Lebedev beats Guillermo Jones he should be considered the man at cruiser. Terrific Top 15 though...I can't argue with these 15 names.
     
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    Chisora is ahead of Helenius based on the loss/win over him.

    No way does Lebedev have the best resume at 200lbs. YPH got the Cunningham win, he is the man at that weight.
     
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  14. larryx2012

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    Dawson is THE CHAMP AT 175

    GARCIA IS the champ at 140
     
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  15. aliviu_emilian

    aliviu_emilian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You put Abraham before Bute.Serious rakings(The Ring, Dan Rafael, eastside) ahave these fighters reversed.It`s no argument Abraham has a belt.He won it from Stieglitz who was KO-ed by Andrade and Berrio.
     
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