The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's about two or three times we've been thinking a like :lol:
     
  2. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chang is great to watch but 99/100 is about his best in this list
     
  3. Hattons Hook

    Hattons Hook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is there a reason you have fighters of a similar era grouped together ? Like Hearns to Holy inc. Manny and Floyd and also obviously the mexican trio ? Seems a little too easy to me.

    Sorry if this has been said before and for being an annoying c*nt :oops:

    Great thread by the way :good
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :blood

    I wouldn't say Hearns to Holy even was "an era"...and there are fighters from different time periods scattered throughout. TO me, Chavez and Olivares are more tied than Hearns and Holyfield...but Barrera and Morales and Gomez and Zarate obviously have an affecting gravity on one another whether they are ranked together or not.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    100%. I've already said his era at light fly and accomplishments are not far off Canto's.

    And yes, I've called for Booker already. >CK
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Explain for me in a couple of sentences why he is locked above Ricardo Lopez.
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can understand excluding LaBarba

    (... even though it hurts me to the core)

    But honestly, it just doesn't sit all that well with me to see Pete Herman still in there. His best known victory comes over a considerably lighter Wilde, and he appeared to benefit from the no-decision clause more than other champions from the era who appear on this list. Kid Williams is a nice scalp, but hasn't really been mentioned as a serious candidate for the Top 100. Johnny Coulon is also a nice name, but was on the fade at that point.

    I'll give up on LaBarba, but I do think that either Eddie Booker or Baby Arizmendi, among others, have better resumes and stronger cases than Herman.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    After all these years? Really? You already know why. Better era, better opponents, greater depth in weight class, less longevity but as mind blowing on film.

    Anyway, aged 19 to what, 25, he still made **** loads of defences so there's not really even that in there. You can say he 'didn't make a dent at fly' but what did Lopez really do at 108?
     
  9. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was a lot more restrained than I thought it was going to be:yep
     
  10. Flea Man

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    How much do you know about his opposition though? Not being rude, just think you might appreciate him more.

    Anyway, a few fighters have been giving boosts due to their insane ability (Sal' Sanchez for instance) why Chang can't make 90-100 based on his I don't know.

    :D Spat enough vitriol over the years on this subject.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Herman is a two-time champion at a weight, in an era, where that **** did not happen. He is the first man to regain that title and he did it in a stuck-on brute of an era - certainly the deepest in the division's history prior to the 1960's. He faced no fewer than four other bantamweight title holders, in the era of the unified title, which is horrific luck and should lay anyone low and he went 7-3-1 with them, the draw coming against his immediate successor, one of whom he also bested in a series. In what was (and is in some corners) known as "The Golden Age of the Bantams", he cleared distinguished himself as the best of these men. Between Herman and Ortiz, only one man, Joe Lynch would repeat the feat of reclaiming the title, and Herman had bested him.

    Time might have taken the polish from Herman's achievements and his opposition aren't regarded as highly today as they once were, but he's a beast of a bantam and deserves his sport, both on this list and on ESB's ATG bantam list where he ranks just behind Fighting Harada.

    Yeah, I was made to feel a bit sad, too.


    OK pea, i'm almost convinced. I'll take it under advisement.
     
  12. McGrain

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    01 – Sam Langford
    02 – Harry Greb
    03 – Sugar Ray Robinson
    04 – Henry Armstrong
    05 – Ezzard Charles
    06 – Bob Fitzsimmons
    07 – Benny Leonard
    08 – Muhammad Ali
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    09 – Willie Pep
    10 – Joe Louis
    11 – Roberto Duran
    12 – Joe Gans
    13 – Packey McFarland
    14 – Archie Moore
    15 – Sugar Ray Leonard
    16 – Mickey Walker
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    17 – Barney Ross
    18 – Terry McGovern
    19 – Tony Canzoneri
    20 – Pernell Whitaker
    21 – Charley Burley
    22 – Holman Williams
    23 – Jimmy McLarnin
    24 – Sandy Saddler
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    25 - George Dixon
    26 - Barbados Joe Walcott
    27 - Stanley Ketchel
    28 - Billy Conn
    29 - Kid Gavilan
    30 -Roy Jones
    31- Gene Tunney
    32 - Tommy Gibbons
    33 - Tommy Loughran
    34 – Jack Britton
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    35 – Eder Jofre
    36 – Jose Napoles
    37 – Carlos Monzon
    38 – Jimmy Bivins
    39 – Marvin Hagler
    40 – Tommy Ryan
    41 – Emile Griffith
    42 –Alexis Arguello
    43 – Ike Williams
    44 – Jimmy Wilde
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    45 – Julio Cesar Chavez
    46 – Ruben Olivares
    47 – Fighting Harada
    48 – Carlos Ortiz
    49 – Michael Spinks
    50 – Young Corbett
    51 – Thomas Hearns
    52 - Floyd Mayweather
    53 - Manny Pacquiao
    54 – Evander Holyfield
    55 – Freddie Steele
    56 – Abe Attell
    57 – Mike Gibbons
    58 - Bernard Hopkins
    59 - Ted Kid Lewis
    60 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    61 - Salvador Sanchez
    62 - Wilfredo Gomez
    63 - Vicente Saldivar
    64 - Rocky Marciano
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    65 - Lou Ambers
    66 - Freddie Welsh
    67 - Jim Driscoll
    68 - Dick Tiger
    69 - Harold Johnson
    70 - Carmen Bassilio
    71 - Carlos Zarate
    72 - Manuel Ortiz
    73 - Miguel Canto
    74 - Jack Dempsey (np)
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    75 - Lloyd Marshall
    76 - Oscar De La Hoya
    77 - Azumah Nelson
    78 - Mike McCallum
    79 - Bob Foster
    80 - Teddy Yarosz
    81 - Pascual Perez
    82 - Panama Al Brown
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    83 - Young Griffo
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    84 – Jake LaMotta
    85 – Larry Holmes
    86 – Wilfred Benitez
    87 – Juan Manuel Marquez
    88 – Erik Morales
    89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
    90 - Lennox Lewis
    91 – Fritzie Zivic
    92 - Kid Berg
    93 - Joe Frazier
    94 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    95 - Pete Herman
    96 - James Toney
    97 - Nico Locche
    98 - Willie Joyce
    99 - Jung-Koo Chang
    100- George Foreman
     
  13. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    A fine list.

    Where's Jimmy Young though?
     
  14. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I can handle MAB being at 89. I mean, I have no sudden urges to end my life or anything.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Back to the drawing board.