The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

It looks ****, I agree, so does Hagler-Hearns. My thinking is

1) Hagler beat better competition

2) Hagler is better

IN fact, I am looking at changing this though. I'm not making any more changes, I don't think, until I come to detail the individual numbers but I think when that happens I'll be looking to move two fighters that are between them below Hopkins. It's also posisble that Dillon will leap-frog Hagler. This would bring them closer by a few spots, and make it easier on the eye.

But it's kind of incidental. I mean, i'm not planning on working on these two specifically. It sucks but there it is.

 

Obviously the relevance of each of these points is **** all, but yeah, you're right.

 

I mean a close, past-prime, dubious decision to an old superstar like Leonard is hardly a foundation for an argument. I can say, "Hagler was robbed", half the forum will fall on your head in agreement. But that doesn't really matter. Because if Hopkins had beaten old Leonard at middleweight it probably would have been his best win. Not relative to age. Not just at middleweight. Ever. Now, that just isn't true of someone like Hagler.

 

No, not on name value alone - full stop. The Leonard that boxed so well that night against Hagler would be the literal best fighter Hopkins beat p4p. His level of competition is not extremely special. His level of dominance, his skills on knitting offence are defence are what are extreme about hi.

I think that i've learned during this process that you can untether Hagler and Monzon a little, even though I haven't done that. I have no plans to move Hagler down, but, like i said there are a couple of incidental nudges that might draw these two together.

No **** this; you're right in what you say but there's no way I can be worrying about what people say after. I'm all ears just now but if i start thinking about public acceptance of the list I start to make mistakes based upon what I know. Which is a lot.

But what's right is right, and the details you refer to here might need nursing.

One thing though: ****ing A Hagler is a tier above Chavez.

I think Hopkins would get nipped by Monzon, yeah. Hopkins-Hagler is a harder one but I have a feeling that Hagler can eat more **** than Hopkins can. ****-eating can be important.

 

True about his best win.

And obviously you are right about the unification.

But unification is a pain in the ass sometimes. It can be used as a rod to beat a fighter. Hopkins was clearly the best for a long time with what was going on with the rest of them. I try to hold the unified total in high regard rather than necessarily slap a guy because he's not unified, in a situation when you can read the signals pretty clear, anyway.