The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This was an important post, and it needed to be made.
     
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  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Eh, I don't agree with that at all. Like I said, I don't think he's a tier above Spinks or even Mayweather, honestly. Is what it is though. I just don't hold him in quite the same regard as you I guess.

    The public acceptance thing was just a tongue-in-cheek attempt to get you to go along with what I was saying, btw.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Where do you have Hagler at MW?
     
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I reckon foreman is as good a gate keeper as any for the top 100.

    If anyone is a once in a lifetime talent it's him, heck once in two lifetimes.

    I know I've been a bit harsh on his achievement before but **** it, anyone doing what he did has to be top 100.
     
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  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    4.
     
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  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    **** taker
     
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  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Miske, Turner, Madden, McTigue, Renault, Roper,Weinert, Coffey, Brennan, McMahon, Gunboat Smith are a list of fighters that Battling Levinsky beat or drew with after he turned the corner and started to beat a "fading" Dillon. Now Levinsky and Dillon were the same age, is Levinsky to be penalised by ignoring his record from 1916 to 1922 because Dillon hadn't the same longevity? Fireman Flynn, Porky, Tom Cowler (don't think he made my ratings, off the top of my head) Jack Twin Sullivan, Tony Ross, McGoorty, Wuest, Gilbert were just some of the names that he was beating while Jack had the edge on him-shows how good Dillon was but also Levinsky.(I'm sure he could beat three top contenders in 3 twenty rounders in 3 different cities on the one day if he had the mind to do it?)
    Just showing you that he had a resumee similar to Dillon and more longevity, puts him pretty close to him especially as he showed in their head to head that he could win a few, and draw a few of their series. I'd put Levinsky in the 100-120 bracket, probably 30 or so places behind the Giant Killer as the competition is so tough. Now Kid McCoy is another story................
     
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  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Fair enough. Out of curiousity if Hagler nipped a round or two more and got the decision, considering how well Leonard fought, where it would rank among Hagler's best wins for you?

    It is a pain in the ass considering it was Don King Orchestrating the whole damned division at the time. then Hopkins beat the other champs with ease anyways that he should've unified against earlier. What'd he lose, 4 rounds out of the three fights against the other champs (Holmes, Joppy, Trinidad)

    That's why I hope to hell he beats Cloud next weekend. Hops and King ain't friends and it would leave Don with not much left in terms of fighters :yep
     
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  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I bet the vast majority of the next 50 fighters will be better than the HBO amigos.:yep
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    Right, less impressive overall?

    Even his hw resume is less impressive overall?

    Dillon was 5'7. His best fighting weight was between 165 and 170.

    Levinsky was 5'11. His best fighting weight was between 175 and 180.

    Even if the two had tied their series and had identical resumes, Dillon should rank a fair bit higher p4p as the smaller man. In actual fact, Dillon won the series numerically and has a better W resume. Most of all, he just did not demonstrate the consistency in thrashing the opposition that Dillon did in the period i've outlined. If we take Levinsky from, say,June 1915 to June 1919 so we're covering the four year period we covered for Dillon. We recall that Dillon lost three fights in this period, and was extremely busy. Levinsky losses to Greb a couple of times, and to Dempsey (you almost wouldn't count them), Bartley Madden, Bob McAllister, Bill Brennan, Carl Morries, Miske twice and Jack Dillon himself. He just flat out loses more. Levinsky failed to distinguish himself to the best fighters he met - including Dillon himself.

    It's not a mtter of penalising the man - it is a matter of comparing and contrasting them. The bigger, taller, longer Levinsky did less well by my eye than Dillon, was less consistent, lost his series to Dillon and therefore ranks lower.

    We seem to agree that Levinsky lies just outside...but you have a problem with ranking Dillon this high? Given his achievements and successes, I can't agree with you.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Top 5.



    He's at the stage where every contender is worth a spot or two on this list. He's that old :lol:
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Same as me. I have him at #4 or #5 depending upon how i'm feeling about Ketchel. But i'm curious, you have your #4 mw at #60 ish on your supposed atg list? That's ****ed up.
     
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  13. the cobra

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    Now that HBO's been brought up and we've been talking Hopkins, I'd like to go just a wee bit off topic and mention how weird I suspect it'll be to have Roy Jones call a Hopkins fight. I'm fairly excited for that alone, interested in how it'll go.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    I can't wait to see this Philly O'Brien post.
     
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  15. the cobra

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    I think it's just dandy.

    Conveniently enough, I happen to have Spinks at #4 on my LHW list and he also gets the tiny bit of bonus points for jumping up to Heavyweight to end the 2nd longest reign in the history of that division and hand a top 5 Heavyweight great his first loss.

    You have that a guy in a different tier - a lower tier - than your #4 or #5 middleweight. That, good sir, is what is ****ed up.
     
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