The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. McGrain

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    I ****ing did it again:lol:
     
  2. McGrain

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    01 – Sam Langford
    02 – Harry Greb
    03 – Sugar Ray Robinson
    04 – Henry Armstrong
    05 – Ezzard Charles
    06 – Bob Fitzsimmons
    07 – Benny Leonard
    08 – Muhammad Ali
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    09 – Willie Pep
    10 – Joe Louis
    11 – Roberto Duran
    12 – Joe Gans
    13 – Packey McFarland
    14 – Archie Moore
    15 – Sugar Ray Leonard
    16 – Mickey Walker
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    17 – Barney Ross
    18 – Terry McGovern
    19 – Tony Canzoneri
    20 – Pernell Whitaker
    21 – Charley Burley
    22 – Holman Williams
    23 – Jimmy McLarnin
    24 – Sandy Saddler
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    25 - George Dixon
    26 - Barbados Joe Walcott
    27 - Stanley Ketchel
    28 - Billy Conn
    29 - Kid Gavilan
    30 -Roy Jones
    31- Gene Tunney
    32 - Tommy Gibbons
    33 - Tommy Loughran
    34 – Jack Britton
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    35 – Eder Jofre
    36 – Jose Napoles
    37 – Carlos Monzon
    38 – Jimmy Bivins
    39 – Marvin Hagler
    40 – Tommy Ryan
    41 – Jack Dillon
    42 - Emile Griffith
    43 –Alexis Arguello
    44 – Ike Williams
    45 – Jimmy Wilde
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    46 – Julio Cesar Chavez
    47 – Ruben Olivares
    48 – Fighting Harada
    49 – Carlos Ortiz
    50 – Michael Spinks
    51 – Young Corbett
    52 – Thomas Hearns
    53 - Floyd Mayweather
    54 - Manny Pacquiao
    55 – Evander Holyfield
    56 – Freddie Steele
    57 – Abe Attell
    58 – Mike Gibbons
    59 - Bernard Hopkins
    60 - Ted Kid Lewis
    61 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
    62 - Salvador Sanchez
    63 - Wilfredo Gomez
    64 - Vicente Saldivar
    65 - Rocky Marciano
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    66 - Lou Ambers
    67 - Freddie Welsh
    68 - Jim Driscoll
    69 - Dick Tiger
    70 - Harold Johnson
    71 - Carmen Bassilio
    72 - Manuel Ortiz
    72 - Carlos Zarate
    74 - Miguel Canto
    75 - Jack Dempsey (np)
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    76 - Lloyd Marshall
    77 - Oscar De La Hoya
    78 - Azumah Nelson
    79 - Mike McCallum
    80 - Bob Foster
    81 - Teddy Yarosz
    82 - Pascual Perez
    83 - Panama Al Brown
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    84 - Young Griffo
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    85 – Jake LaMotta
    86 – Larry Holmes
    87 – Wilfred Benitez
    88 – Juan Manuel Marquez
    89 – Erik Morales
    90 – Marco Antonio Barrera
    91 - Fritzie Zivic
    92 - Joe Frazier
    93 - Pete Herman
    94 - Lennox Lewis
    95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
    96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    97 - James Toney
    98 - Nicolino Locche
    99 - Jung Koo Chang
    100-George Foreman
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Agreed on both counts but not significant IMO.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    Manages what? Beating a contender at his age? Yeah it's amazing, but not enough to make up for making me sit through the Eastman fight.

    Weight drained or not, I'm not comfortable with having anyone that was even slightly troubled by Jermain Taylor that high.
     
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    Roberto Duran is too low IMO.
     
  6. Mr Butt

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    Agreed
     
  7. Flea Man

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    True, true.
     
  8. McGrain

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    :lol:

    He can't be higher than 9, he can't be lower than 12. The sliver that details the difference between 9 and 11 is utterly minuscule. But i will give it a final look when the time comes.
     
  9. turbotime

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    That's the way the cookie crumbles when it's the young contender taking on the old guy, and still a lot felt he beat Hopkins or at least took ONE of the fights to an unbiased eye.

    Hopkins moving up after and doing work is what's most impressive, especially when they told him to retire right after the Taylor fights
     
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    For me Hopkins is below hagler and I think McGrain has them about right
     
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    I could have him above Ali and Benny. P4P achievements and all that. Fighting in five decades. Mehhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
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    #100 George Foreman (76-5)

    You start a list like this backwards, #1 up. The first twenty come away easy. By the thirty mark you begin to doubt yourself. By sixty you are staring mostly at a blank page. At ninety you are tearing your hair out. As the win résumés become thinner and the dominance becomes less total, separating the fighters becomes trickier. Foreman’s was not the first name to be penciled in at #100. He was not the second or the third. He was the tenth. He was not on the original list of candidates at all.

    All of this is not to suggest that Foreman is unworthy of consideration. His professional career is replete with unique and exciting aspects. After turning professional his tear through the ripened tomatoes served up to him by a management team eager for mayhem was as destructively violent as anything seen since Sonny Liston, but it was that astonishing night in Kingston, Jamaica when Foreman made his real statement. In a fight he was widely expected to lose he bounced world champion Joe Frazier around the ring like the heel turn in a Rocky movie. George Foreman looked, quite simply, like the greatest heavyweight that had ever stepped into the ring. There was speculation he would rule twenty years.

    They never do the behemoths. Foreman was no different. Gregorio Peralta hinted at it when he became the first man to win a meaningful number of rounds against Foreman whilst extending him the distance in 1970 and Muhammad Ali’s extraordinary defeat of Foreman in 1974 perhaps confirmed it. Foreman was vulnerable to thinking boxers—and he had stamina issues. When Jimmy Young outboxed him to a twelve-round decision in 1974, the verdict was well and truly in. Foreman was a steam locomotive that burned propane and weapons grade plutonium, but he could be outboxed and outthought. He retired in 1977 with a reputation as one of heavyweight’s more devastating punchers, arguably an all-time great but without the years at the top or title defenses to prove it.

    And then he came back.

    Not, like they always do, ten sheepish months later, fending off the taxman with one hand and an awestruck sparring partner with the other, but ten years later, fat, happy, with a set of arms so enormous his prestigious power had survived the dilution of torque that time never fails to mix up with what is almost always a depressing cocktail. There was nothing depressing about this. Up and up the rankings he slithered, self-deprecating at every step, the menacing “black forest” of Norman Mailer psychobabble no longer, but Big George, funny, approachable, beloved. In 1994 when he stood ring-center and allowed heavyweight champion Michael Moorer to beat the crap out of him for ten rounds, we shook ourselves out of the dream he had passed across our eyes and told one another that this was enough, time to pack it in Big George—so when George instead chucked out one of those torque-less right hands, more a man passing bread across the table than a trained fighter throwing a punch, and Moorer collapsed to the canvas we were stunned, less so when he could raise no further than his knees by the count of ten. Guys he hit stayed hit.

    In the end, that was the vision I couldn’t quite banish when I was tidying up the end of this list; Foreman, looking mildly to the heavens before turning and kneeling and praying to his God, heavyweight champion of the world once more, twenty years removed from his prime.


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  14. Flea Man

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    You're writing it up just for in 'ere? Deserves better, you wouldn't just give the medicine to the doctors, would ya'?
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Have just seen the link above. I'm a mong.