critique my Lightweight rankings

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  1. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still trying to redo some of my rankings in the big 8 before trying to tackle the ******* divisions for the first time...How is this list and what needs to be adjusted...who is to high/low and who should be brought in and who should be removed???

    01 Benny Leonard
    02 Joe Gans
    03 Roberto Duran

    04 Carlos Ortiz
    05 Ike Williams
    06 Henry Armstrong
    07 Pernell Whitaker

    08 Tony Canzoneri
    09 Barney Ross
    10 Lou Ambers

    11 Alexis Arguello
    12 Julio Ceasar Chavez
    13 Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    14 Jack McAuliffe
    15 Freddie Welsh
    16 Sammy Mandell

    17 Joe Brown
    18 Sammy Angott
    19 Bob Montgomery (Please help me put him higher!)

    20 Oscar De La Hoya
    21 Ismael Laguna (Help me put him higher also!)
    22 Juan Manuel Marquez

    23 Beau Jack
    24 Jimmy Carter
    25 Ken Buchanan
    26 Shane Mosley

    27 Duilio Loi
    28 Ad Wolgast

    29 J.L. Castillo
    30 Edwin Rosario
     
  2. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So stacked. My favorite division.

    Some guys missing IMO:
    - Packey McFarland
    - Johnny Dundee (never seems to get mentioned in LW rankings)
    - Battling Nelson
    - Jack Blackburn

    Subtract Blackburn. Lew Tendler instead.
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

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    I don't know alot about Mcfarland, nor his accomplishments at lightweight...other than a few brief articles and the sort....Where would you see him? Top 20? top 10?

    The other 3 names I considered and could be swayed?
     
  4. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    McFarland was the best lightweight in the world for about 4-5 years. And during the time: some regarded him as the very best boxer (P4P) in the world. Top 5 for me, personally.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You got to find room for one of the toughes early great lightweights
    Kid Lavigne..He gave WW joe Wakcott hell in 2 bouts.
    I put Lew Tendler ahead of Bob Montgomery, as Tendler was a tremendous southpaw who gave the great Bennah 2 close bouts. And let us not forget the great left-hooker Charley White of Chicago.
    I put Beau Jack slightly ahead of Bob Montgomery though they split 2
    decision bouts I saw in MSG. One of those was for a War Bond Rally, which my dad pledged $18.75 for a Bond which I redeemed years later for $25...
    In 1944 I saw bummy Davis ,a 1-8 underdog, flatten Bob Montgomery in 1 rd,with left hooks...Three weeks later I saw my favorite action fighter Beau Jack, soap up a devastating left hook by Al Davis, shake it off and give Davis a 10 round beating...So I have Beau Jack slightly ahead of Bob Montgomery...When will we see the likes of an Ike Williams, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Sammy Angott, Willie Joyce, Freddie Dawson, fighting
    each other in the lightweight division ?
     
  6. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Put Packey McFarland in the top 10 (maybe even top 5). Billy Petrolle should be on the list. H2H I place Armstrong in my top 5. But his accomplishments at this weight are fairly anemic when compared to many of the others. So I would drop him lower.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Mosley was a big weight cutter with average opposition at the weight. IMO, the most overrated 135lber of all time.
     
  8. The Funny Man 7

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    Duran should be number 1, but I'm sure you've already carefully rehearsed your own rational for putting him at number 3, so I'll spare myself the argument.

    I don't think you need any help rating Laguna higher. His skills and record speak for themselves. His ranking is definitely flexible. I disagree about Montgomery though. I think you've got him as high as hecan possibly go, probably too high.

    I think 15 is too low for Freddie Walsh and Buchanan should be much, much higher. Both were far more proven at the weigh than Mayweather, Arguello, and Chavez.

    I think Ambers is interestingly placed. He has good scalps but can he rate that high given that he lost violently and noncompetitively to Jenkins. Yes, Jenkins had murderous power, but he's the worst 'good' lightweight champion ever.
     
  9. dyna

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    Joe Gans / Benny Leonard and Duran all deserve the nr 1 spot.
    The top 3 lw's could be in different orders as long as these three are the top 3.

    Gans and Leonard have the resume, Duran the h2h ability.
     
  10. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, I'm intrigued that you have Rosario and De La Hoya rated at number 20. Those two must exist in some sort of lightweight parrallel ranking universe where Rosario rates between all the fighters listed from Laguna through Castillo but where he also rates the same as De La Hoya, thus meaning that he ranks above the fighters he's ranked below.

    This means that De La Hoya must also be rated above and below Mosley simoultaneously, which is oddly fitting.

    Fascinating stuff when particule physic and philosophy meets pugilism.
     
  11. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  12. kingfisher3

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    whitaker up
    arguello and floyd down
    ross over canzoneri
    mcfarland at least no 11
    delahoya no way
    armstrong is ok there but could go down
    dejesus?
    tendler and nelson could make it
    mosley and buchanan should probably not be next to each other
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Neither Rosario nor Oscar should be considered.
     
  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I kid you not I would probably add 100 lightweights to this list before JMM.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Floyd should be miles away.