The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Fickle *******.

Agreed.

I'd rank Villa the highest, then maybe LaBarba. Splitting those two is tough. I don't see how Lynch is viewed as ahead of those guys. I don't really get the big deal about him. He's not a bad exclusion.

For me, O'Brien shouldn't have made it, but I can admit I see the argument. Beating old Fitzsimmons shouldn't mean that much. Drawing against a negative Jack Johnson isn't too much to howler. Johnson was just rather indifferent and negative when he got bored or unmotivated. I tend to suspect he won the fight and O'Brien just got credited for making a better fight when being so out-sized. O'Brien was a good MW, though, and his next best win is a smaller Walcott?

Honestly, I still think Sammy Mandell's exclusion is the worst, or one I'm most disagreeable with. I just don' t see O'Brien ahead of him and have trouble figuring out how he missed it.

Oh well.

 

I think McGrain has been rough on Chocalate. Turn that SD loss against Canzoneri and he easily has the goods. 2-1 against LaBarba, 1-0 vs Bass 4-0 vs Lew Feldman. And two SD against Berg. I mean, it wasn't like he was dominated against these ATGs in his prime. He fought nearly even with them and has a decent resume. He doesn't have many loses, either.

 

Loi
Elorde
Bass

...not really all that much between the three of them.

 

One report on the Fitz-O'Brien fight of 1904-NY Sunday Telegraph
"Fitz went sailing in. He straightened up Jack with a clout on the cut
eye, missed a right swing and landed one of those famous left-handed half
hooks to the middle. The blow only
traveled a few inches, but it left O'Brien
with a face as white as chalk and with
just enough sense to hang on. Bob
fought to free himself and Crowhurst
had to struggle to get them apart.
As they shaped up after the break
Jack started a jab and Fitz sent him
to his heels with a straight left counter
to the jaw.
It was good betting that O'Brien
would go out in the next wallop, when
up went the club of Capt. Hannon.
thirty-two seconds before the ending of
the round.
O'Brien Stas&er a t o Corner .
The club officials clanged the bell
quickly, and O'Brien turned and staggered to his comer. Fitz did not look
like a stake horse as he sat down, but
the spirit of the contest was blazing in
his eyes, and he was full of fight when
the police stepped in."
Strange other detailed round by round accounts completely omit this ending. Very strange. Sounds like a NC to me with Fitz likely to score a KO if he had the extra half minute.

 

Benji Bass doesn't get NEAR enough mention anywhere.

 

Then you've seen the opinions of 17 people who were sitting at ringside, who they thought was the winner of the bout (10 favored O'Brien, 7 Fitz). It's on the same page. The referee also said that if he had to render a decision he'd have declared it a draw.
Associated Press said that O'Brien simply slipped, rather than was knocked down, and they actually landed one more punch each after O'Brien got up and before the bell was rung. Another report said O'Brien was going away when Fitz's right swing to the body put him down. Yet another said O'Brien was down 3 times during the bout, but none was a clean knock-down, each one happened when O'Brien was slipped getting away from Fitz, and the last time was partly from Fitz's right landing on his neck, and partly his legs getting tangled. Bob Edgren of NY Evening World disagreed with Left Hook of NY Morning Telegraph about O'Brien being nearly done.

 

Ok I feel like Barrera is too high :think

 

Yeah, read a slew of reports, some very detailed and not a word about a premature ending. Seems Jack started fast, got three rounds in the bag with Fitz coming on strong down the stretch. Fitz himself was well marked too. The Captain who stopped it-if he did?-is quoted that O'Brien would have been KO'd with the next punch. Guess it's one of these we will never know for sure. But to call it a KO win for Fitz is, as you say, plain wrong.
O'Brien got himself into kinda similar situations at fight-end with both Maher and Ketchell.

 

There is still time McGrain to put things right

 

Saldivar>Sanchez and Gomez

 

Ok mcgrain I have a question about Dillon I don't know much really about him so just humour me please . Was he really considered a hard puncher . His first few years seen to be pretty stacked with ko wins then they seem to dry up when against better opposition and there are many ND results .

 

Not just better but bigger too :good

 

I think Saldivar's competition was probably better than Wilfredo Gomez's competition.

Saldivar's only legit loss is to Shibata. Saldivar-Jofre = shot vs past prime

Saldivar 37-1