Sugar Ray Leonard was a 3-1 favorite against Terry Norris

Rooster, you are the best !! And you hold THE single position of being the only person who rates Terrible over SRL all time great. Thanks for educating us fools with your uncanny boxing intellect ! BTW, prime by definition is - earliest or best part. And for SRL, it was not at 34 yrs. of age !! Also, Leonard BEAT Bonds, Kalule Duran Hearns and Hagler. Your chin chin boy, LOST by KO to Mullings,Brown, Boudani and Jackson .Again, thanks for the education old friend

 

still trying to change the subject

here, let's phrase the question like this: in Sugar vs Norris, whoch man hit the canvas and which man came up smelling like roses?

the number of those that dissagree with my assessment doesnt matter. I had the same problem just before Terry went in and took Sugar to school

and while Sugar may have a win over Bonds, Kalule, & Green, Norris has an overwhelming win over Sugar in a battle of speed vs speed

which would u rather have: a win over Green, who always lost consciousness in his title fights, or a win over a five time champion, unbeaten in 11 yrs

 

Wow you really are stupid... I told you that Norris victory ovet SRL wasn`t significant because SRL clearly was NOT in his prime... And you keep comparing Norris speed against a 34 yr old Leonard. Only Duran beat SRL in his PRIME... Norris lost regularly to mediocre fighters. How sad are you that you hang your hat on Norris victory over a 34 semi-active SRL. You seem to forget Norris gets knocked out ! Now, go back to your Norris blow up doll Rooster Your are right while SRL beat, Bonds, Kalule, Duran ,Hagler and Benitez. Chinny Norris LOST to,Boudauni,Mullings,Brown,Jackson,and Kelly. Now THAT~S one helluva resume Tell Terry I said hello !

 

LittleRedRooster isn't any type of Norris fan, trust.You're referencing all these embarrassing losses/performances Norris suffered as if you think that it bothers him, but Rooster hasn't actually seen the vast majority of them, because Norris is simply a convenience for Rooster and nothing more than that.He did what his real, genuine idol could never do - and for that he's eternally grateful towards him.



Roosters love for Terry Norris is as phony and contrived as Hagler's victory jig following his loss to a washed-up, drug-addicted, inactive, blown-up welterweight.

 

Honestly in your opening paragraph are u trying to be ******ed? How did Leonard lack a victory the previous 11years over a guy with speed? He fought and beat a guy in 81 called hearns who had speed of hand and foot and cobra like reflexes Norris could only dream of. Ever see that fight

I do wonder ifvpeoplecwere actually around to know Norris already had several career defeats in an age if talented 20-0 boxers and his chin was a huge question mark people believed all ray had to do was hit the kid solidly once and he'd be gone

Sugars hand speed was still superior to Norris but his reflexes were shot as was his ability to take a punch and balance and footwork that why Norris made him look so slow

 

Thank you !! It`s easy to make a guy who`s reflexes, timing and proper balance look painfully slow. Anyone with some boxing acumen knows that SRL was nowhere near his prime ...

 

FALSE: his reflexes were NOT shot, as seen in his prior fight

shot fighters do not have their legs as as demonstrated in uno mas,, moving non stop. in fact Steve Farhood said that Ray fought the perfect fight and immediately after the fight, Tim Ryan congradulated a beaming Ray leonard "what an absolutely BRILLIANT performance!"

therefore, u are guilty of fabricating and smearing me as well

none of those opponents had speed worth mentioning and only ONE of them was considred a mover-Bonds.

Hearns also could move when he had to but was weak on defense otherwise, and wasnt the complete package as say, a Norris or a Nunn. Terry was what we call a "trigger fisted" fighter meaning he could rattle off his shots before u could see them coming which is why Sugar had so much problem protecting his chin and could never keep up in the fight

lookit the fight again. watch as Terry forces Leonard into the role of the stalker, something only accomplished by Bonds, and Hearns

but Bonds was really a punching bag, what Angelo called "a stiff" while others like Dave Green were merely setups, brainless, walk straight in types, which is just asking for trouble

Leonard likes those types of made to order fighters!

but against movers, Sugar does not excel, often looking clumsy, and unsure

in the Norris fight, his best attempt was during the second round, watch as Sugar stalks his feet footed oponent like a lion on the prowl. and just as he thinks he's cornered him, he's not there!

and finally when he does catch up with him, Terry smartly ties him up! what can he do?

even the times when he catches up with him, Terry's brilliant handspeed comes to the forefront, and snags Sugar, intimidating him, making back off

again, what can he do?

and the times when Terry is bored with being chased, and takes the lead, and changes again throws off his helpless opponent's rhythym, abruptly drilling him to the ribs, like a machine gun gone berserk.

again, what can Sugar do?

answer: nothing except to helplessly await the final bell and his second loss.

Personally, I think Leonard wasted his time fighting Lalonde, Hearns, & Duran rematches when he sould have been defending his title, most especially against Kalambay, & Nunn. they wouldve served as better preparation for Norris

 

blah blah blah :tired

 

Sure i am. I was there for Terry's nat tv debut on ABC WWS vs Jackson and rooting for him to take him down

but it was not to be. jackson was too strong and at his peak

but I could see the SPEED in Norris and knew that Terry would be a force in the division for yrs to come

and I was right

Terry won the title the following summer with a stunning blitz of the beast, with lightning left hooks that terrified the beast! The crowd watched, stunned as the rail thin but lightning fast & incredibly powerful upstart, turned Mugabi's legs stiffer than a wood tree stump, looking to hide from the onslaught of his captor

The hunter had been hunted

Then in December that same year, I overheard that Sugar had signed to meet with Norris and knew right then that Norris would harpoon the boxing legend (top 50 atg)

Sugar and his fans should be proud of his losing to Norris. In fact, I would discount that loss since everybody lost to Norris anyways

 

yor implicit claim here that Hagler could never beat Leonard is like d claim that Leonard could never beat Norris .

Leonard's ring , gloves , length of a fight , and if that was not enough , then Leonard was d younger man and d taller man (but Hagler would have easily overcame it a few yrs earlier) , and given Leonard's prowess of catching fighters exactly when they could not make their w8 anymore, I wud not hev bin surprised if Hagler had trouble making 160 :

Benitez was drained vs Leonard, never made 147 again
Hearns was drained vs Leonard, never made 147 again
Duran was drained vs Leonard (in their rematch), never made 147 again
Kalule was drained vs Leonard, should have moved up from 154
Lalonde was drained vs Leonard, never made 168 (actually 167) again
Hearns was even drained vs Leonard in their rematch.

c d pattern?

take these 6 "wins" (including Hagler) and d draw and Leonard remains as wot hi rili woz: another disputed 147lbs titlist whom avoided his best opponents @ their best.

Leonard was d biggest catchweight king in history bar none:
bigger than Jones, bigger than Pacquiao, bigger than Hopkins

Leonard thought that Camacho (past his prime himself by d time when they fought) would have been small enough 4 him 2 record another BS "victory", but how wrong he was :yep

 

Rooster, you keep us ALL amused. So please, keep up the great work my fistic genius of a friend !!

 

Wow, you actually believe this **** ...My bad for actually being foolish enough to respond to your non-sensical bs. But, for the amusement of others please continue !

 

The only thing I'd agree with u on is that Leonard had looked very sharp against duran his last prior fight .but than u recall that fight was in Dec 89 and the Norris one
Feb 91!!
The fact is ray dropped 2 divisions was rusty going through a divorce so there is a possibility he didn't prepare and simply had a very bad night against a retirements underrated kid but my view is father time caught up with ray.it's conceivable at 34 with proper preparation he could have beaten Norris but we will never know.so we do know is ray looked a pale shadow of what he had been . As for suggesting Nunn and norris were asvtalentedvas h
earns lol I guess we will have to disagree.no doubt they were very talented but heartbeats a freak of nature physically and in terms of heart will to win courage and boxing nous

 

Laughable Norris hand speed was far far slower than Leonard's or hearns he'll curry and dog had faster hands.on the night ray had no reflexes due to nit prepping right, nit enough sparring,busted his ass to make 154 for the first time since 1981 and although his hands were still faster than Norris he was beaten to the punch due to his shot reflexes poor timing and balance

 

Exactly, plus their saying that SRL looked sharp against and old and slow Duran ? Really not a good measuring stick to see what SRL had left.