Canelo Alvarez is NOT beating Austin Trout

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  1. Yungkid16

    Yungkid16 T.E.D Full Member

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    Great breakdown bro...


    I also wonder if Trouts chin will hold,for some reason I always though he would have a shaky chin.
     
  2. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    the fight is in Texas Von Hoye is the least of the problems who do we get for the third man in the ring? worry about that, do the inspectors allow Canelo to stack his hand wraps as Pacquiao did against Margarito....

    Does Canelo use his traditional pat and leather type glove that Nazim caught on to for the Mayweather Cotto fight......

    These are things I would worry about.... what kind of testing will they perform any testing....

    Score cards are one thing but **** this is Texas you have to worry about everything
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    thanks man. I was expecting you to show up :good

    very good point about Canelo's ability to cut off the ring compared to Cotto's. I think Canelo benefits from being a bigger guy in general, but he's not this monstrous pressure fighter some make him out to be. He's more of an aggressive boxer puncher in my eyes.

    Canelo punching with Trout is a great idea and is also how I see him having the most success. Trout can be vulnerable when opening up and Cotto had success punching with him as well. Cotto could also move and punch at the same time. Good point. I remember that leaked video of Cotto training for Mayweather where he had Cotto constantly punching and moving while he chased Pedro Diaz around trying to get on the outside of his shoulder.

    I agree with basically everything you said though. Thanks for contributing
     
  4. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    No clue where this "Trout is slick" business is coming from. Sure, the actual fish is slippery. Austin Trout is not. He's a capable boxer with decent physical strength, footspeed, and stamina. He does NOT possess overwhelming handspeed, power, combination punching, or defensive reflexes/positioning.

    Austin Trout did not beat Miguel Cotto because of his technical skills; he beat Cotto because he was a natural 154 pounder and Cotto is not. Cotto was more competitive with Floyd (even though Floyd is much more skilled than Trout) because Cotto is physically bigger than Mayweather and was noticeably stronger in close quarters. Cotto was able to hit Trout plenty during the middle rounds before he gasses, mostly from mid-range; Trout was able to frustrate Cotto with his jab and muscle him back and away in close almost entirely based on his physical dimensions and Cotto's T-Rex arms. Even then, it was still a close fight before Cotto gassed as he often does late and Trout swept the late rounds.

    Cotto also got Trout without the threat of a serious right hand. Wondering why Trout could get away with throwing a ton of jabs and straight lefts to the body? He wasn't concerned at all about eating straight rights to the face , and Cotto was too short to and had too short of arms to punish the repeated right jabs with any left hooks to the body; and on the off chance he did get in close, Trout was too strong and too big for his work to be effective.

    If people think Trout will be able to easily boss Canelo around- when Ginger is taller, has longer arms, and is much thicker and more heavily built than Cotto- you're very likely in for a rude awakening. Then there's also the fact Ginger has superior handspeed and hits harder than Cotto.

    Canelo might have slower feet than Trout, but Trout only has 1" of reach, and Canelo has faster hands. Canelo will always find Trout before Trout finds him if they're throwing.

    If you think that Trout is a nightmare match for Canelo because he moves and jabs a lot, well, he'd be a fool to do that to ginger. If he's spamming that jab, he'll be exposing his body to ginger's left to the body- which will be easier to find since Trout's a southpaw. Straight left to the body? Ginger will be able to counter that with his straight right upstairs.

    Canelo's more of a stalking counterpuncher than a pressuring volume brawler; if you're not opening up against him and giving him chances to counter with his fast, heavy counters, he doesn't look as good. Trout doesn't fight nearly negatively enough or hit hard enough to seriously screw with him.

    Erislandy Lara and Carlos Molina would both give Ginger more trouble than Trout would. I'm very confident Canelo wins though. IF Trout were some fleet-footed dude with blazing handspeed, crunching power, amazing technical skills with Paul Williams' frame and Whitaker's defense- basically, if he were as good as his recent crop of fans would have you believe- sure, he'd tool Ginger. But he's not. He's an above average boxer with a decent jab, decent footspeed, average power, and decent stamina (which probably looked better than it actually is last fight because Cotto is known for stamina problems.)

    Canelo can and will win this fight. He has more power, handspeed, better combination punching, body punching, and solid defense and timing. And Trout doesn't have the attributes or the skills to seriously screw with him.

    Floyd, even with his lack of size, would be much more troublesome for Ginger than Trout, mainly because Floyd wouldn't take the lead on Ginger; Floyd's defense is good enough to give him confidence in allowing Canelo to throw first and more but still outland him and win. Trout's defense ain't that good, and he doesn't have Floyd's accuracy or timing, so he'll have to open up and lead on Ginger to outland him; and if he does that, Canelo will have the openings he needs to break him down. If Trout tastes that power and decides he doesn't want to get stopped, he'll go into retreat mode and get outworked to a decision loss by a supposedly weak-stamina'd Canelo.

    Canelo can be beaten, but Trout ain't the guy to do it. I wouldn't have avatar bet the TS in another thread if I wasn't fully sure of that.

    I just hope he remembers after April 20. If Ginger loses, I'm prepared to eat crow and admit it; somehow, I don't see a lot of the Trout fans/Canelo haters being willing to though.
     
  5. This is the first true test of Canelos career, young, hungry, good all rounder, and AT LAST hes fighting a man his own size.
     
  6. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Technically this is also the first true test of Trouts career
     
  7. NOTINDAFACE

    NOTINDAFACE No Me Se Rajar Full Member

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    :deal:good
     
  8. Scar

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    I'm safely picking Trout by decision and sticking to that pick all the way to fight night. I think there's a reason Alvarez wanted a guarantee Mayweather fight even if he loses to guarantee a much desired pay-day. That offer pretty much proved, in my view IF the offer is what I think it is, that Alvarez has doubts himself.
     
  9. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    If your prediction turns out to be correct then you have all the right to bump it. I don't think Trout is a beast but his style is wrong for Alvarez.
     
  10. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why do you think they choose to fight in texas?

    trout will win 8 or 9 rounds and still lose a 9-3 decision
     
  11. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    Canelo is overrated by the casual fan, but seems to be underrated by the hardcore. I am picking him to clearly and comprehensibly beat Trout. Trout is a well schooled solid all around fighter, but I dont think he has anything that makes him stand out as elite. I see those things in Canelo.

    I hope, provided Canelo wins, he will start to get his credit.
     
  12. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    Your good friend bogotazo will enjoy this JMMism

    Alvarez fans projecting their insecurities onto Trout fans. Alvarez has fought no one yet some fans are trying to will it as if fate will push him to be an ATG. He's decent, but he's far from one of the most talented young fighters we have ever seen.

    You know how he has suspect stamina, and Trout works the left to the body early on? Alvarez slow feet and tendency to "follow" will leave him with sloppy footwork as the round goes by turning him into a slugger who can't reach his target.

    I'm calling bull****.

    Shot Mosley with the no reflexes was able to throw his infamously soft jab at Alvarez midsection without paying. Alvarez has a counter right, but it comes over the top of a head jab.
     
  13. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Fight could go either way and I think a draw is highly possible. Trout has sneaky power to keep any 154lber humble, but he was getting tagged many times by a smaller, slower combination punching Cotto. I think Canelo when he wants to can be an excellent defensive fighter and an underrated boxer, but won't keep it up for 12 rounds. So IMO his power overrated, but boxing is underrated. Of Trout he has respectable power, but overrated defense. I wasnt impressed by Trout vs Cotto and I think Canelo would of stopped Cotto that night. Still, different styles, tho Canelo has been compared to Cotto before.
     
  14. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At the same time there was times in that fight that you felt Cotto might actually stop Trout too though. I bet on a Cotto decision and was nervous in those mid rounds when Trout was clearly stunned by Cottos shots and Cotto has never had much power at 154. Hell even at 147 his power was average.

    Canelo has really heavy hands at 154. That will be the big difference as Trout is not that slick.
     
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