the win that got Duran into the top 10?

you can't address my post.. cause you know you have no answer either.

 

one moment you guys tell me they have seen everything I have to say, now you want me to address what I have addressed probably 500 times before?

 

Ray learned how to fight his fight and that he cannot beat everyone with just one style. With Duran he became the matador and then the puncher in rounds 7 and 8 when he was hitting Duran clean and Duran didn't want to fight anymore. With Hearns he became the puncher. With Hagler all around tactician, and with Benitez the fighter. He could only beat those guys if he was versatile.

 

:deal

 

Let's just all get it off our chests and admit it.

Leonard looked tepid in the Duran rematch, it was often running, not quality boxing.Duran looked crap.

It was a terrible fight, beyond Oscar vs Tito levels of badness.

IF duran didn't quit and it continued as is with Leonard most likely winning a clear uneventful decision, i think after the hysteria died down BOTH fighters would have taken a lot of flak.

Duran shamefully quitting disguised what a mediocre safety-first effort it was.Of course leonard might well have upped the offensive output and looked better later, once he was assured Duran had been entirely frustrated and didn't have that much on the night, who knows.

Fight was crap.

 

Then again Leonard had a lot of fanboys too and that all important media support.Maybe i'm hoping for too much in thinking both would have eventually been criticised.

 

If Duran had hung them up in July 1980, he'd be 72-1 and still have wins over Ray Leonard, Ernesto Marcel, Ken Buchanan, Carlos Palomino and Esteban DeJesus (x2), with his lone defeat avenged twice over by KO. His legend would be absolutely unstoppable and borderline insufferable. He'd be God.

 

Actually, one point MAG. You said beating Leonard was not that great as to give him a top 10 position, but to be fair..I have Leonard as probably the second best fighter H2H ever after Robinson, IMO.
It's more glamorous than a win over a Henry Armstrong or a prime Ezzard Charles for example.

 

when he fought Duran in 1980, just fighting Duran's fight shows he was not yet that top level fighter. Later he learned how to use everything to win a fight. Ray was on his second defense of his first title. Think of most great fighter and tell me if they were great at that point in their career. Hearns right after Cuevas? Whitaker near the same point was losing to Ramirez, yet we saw how well Pernell did in the rematch.

 

Leonard was throwing like 25 punches a round. And he wasn't particularly accurate. And he was still winning. Terrible fight. Still haven't seen the 3rd one.

 

1. Luigi Minchillo
2. Wellington Wheatley
3. Pat Lawlor
4. Ray Leonard
5. Alvaro Rojas

 

Leonard over Carlos Mendoza. Bold.

 

atschThat response neither makes sense nor does it have anything to do with what you typed. You wrote that you try to avoid Duran threads as much as you can, which is the 2nd lie in which I have caught you. Once again, you are NOTORIOUS for turning threads that have nothing to do with Duran into threads that focus on Duran. You have an agenda. We all get it.

 

At least you wrote,"it almost seems like they are now made to draw me in." How pompous of you. Nobody is trying to "draw you in." You are full of it and yourself.

 

"...not yet that top level fighter.." even though he'd already stopped prime Benitez, a fighter that you consider one of the "fab 5," your expression.