the win that got Duran into the top 10?

Well said:good!

 

Ah, but Mendoza was shot when Duran got to him. Guy was coming off real difficult times heading into that fight, what with puberty and all, and hadn't yet recovered (do any of us ever really recover?). You're right though: going on name recognition alone, Mendoza would've topped the list. Well, him and Lloyd Marshall.

Duran beat Lloyd Marshall.

 

Marshall was like 67. Still a better fighter then Mastaka Takayama.

 

What about his wife's brother, Yama "Mas" Takataka? GOAT Laotian boxer. Gave Duran absolute hell in the press conferences. Opened an antique shop down on 5th street a few years back. Tends to ramble on a bit, but a quality guy overall. I stabbed him.

And you thought "no Mas" was referring to Leonard. atsch

 

All lies of a slanderous lying, mendacious, untruthful, lie-filled, dishonest, equivocating, nature. He said 'no boxeo'. And this is classic.

 

Agree to disagree then. We will speak of this matter no mas. Oh, sorry, I mean, 'we will speak of this matter no boxeo.' :roll:


Like that even works. :-(

 

:twisted:

 

not an agenda. If I read something which I think is wrong and gives a fighter too much credit I say what I believe and I bring facts.. It isn't only about Duran. I say the same about Floyd or any fighter I think has not beaten the best, yet is said to be the best of all time.
If I say a guy is not top 10 because he never beat many legends, and never knocked out a great fighter then that is a fact to me, but maybe not to others. I think being rated top 10 over a guy like Manny Pacman who fought and beat more greats than Duran would not be right. And saying Duran would have beat them had he been in shape does not make sense to me, since people said he didn't win because he was older and moved up too high in weight, so being in or out of shape wouldn't matter if those two facts were true. And those things are not explained by Duran fans. If he could not win because he was older and too high in weight, why does he need an excuse that he didn't train? According to his fans he couldn't win against Leonard or Hearns or Benitez anyway.
People love Duran and I understand that, when he won he was furious and impressive, but when he could not dictate the pace after moving up in competition he didn't do as well, and had the excuse of moving up in weight to use, regardless of the fact he moved up to 154 before Hearns,Leonard or Benitez ever did.

And what lie did anyone catch me in? There have been numerous threads on Duran which I ignore. But this is a boxing forum, so I figure people want to hear what I have to say, and lying is not something I do. As a matter of fact I have been very consistent in the over 4 years I have been on the forum.

 

pompous of me? That is not my personality to be honest. I am a humble guy who looks at boxing as facts and tries to be objective and I do not get mad and argue out here. And most of you know this.. This is a boxing forum, I come in here to enjoy the conversation..

How can I as an objective person say Duran is 1-10 when I do not believe it at all and I have criteria for thinking this. For me to rate Roberto as 1-10 when he really did not beat another ATG except Ray, and then he lost so decisively in the rematch would not make sense? Having 4 smiling faces still does not explain how Duran deserves to be top 10,, and what is interesting is you said I am full of myself, yet you are making this about me and not about Duran. So by talking about me, you are doing what you are saying I am pompous for suggesting. I should insert one of your smiling faces to this for effect.

 

you remember things I said, but not too accurately. I have said that Benitez fought best at 154 than any other weight. He moved up and kept his speed and fought smarter than he had at 140 and 147. And Ray did well beating Benitez, but as Ray said he was a mirror image to Benitez, and being faster and with a deeper heart that worked with Wilfred, when most guys didn't have the speed to challenge Wilfred like that, so in a way the win over Wilfred shows that fighting Roberto he couldn't outspeed him being in front of him. That fight was Roberto's game and not Wilfred's. With Roberto he thought he would gut it out and fight Roberto's fight and beat him at his own game. Something Ray said in interviews "I wanted to beat that man at his own game! and I almost did!" I remember what he said word for word.

 

Hate this supposed 'boxing' that nowadays sees a fighter be praised to the f'n hilt

 

Leonard

 

Yeah...

 

Your 2 lies: 1. Duran was naturally the bigger man against Benitez. 2.You avoid Duran threads as much as you can. Those are 2 lies that you have written. Just because Duran fought at 154 before Hearns and Benitez does not mean that he was natural at that weight. And after Duran fought initially at 147, he went back down to 135, a fact that you fail to mention. In reality, Duran's physical dimensions were almost identical to Julio Cesar Chavez's, another fact that you ignore, instead insisting that Duran was much bigger than JCC, which is another falsehood on your part.

 

Your "...draw me in comment..." demonstrates pomposity and the opposite of humility, as if anyone's agenda was to "draw you in".