Why don't fighters just throw the over hand right against the shoulder roll?

Learn how to double and triple a jab, and occasionally hook off of it, and you may not get your face caved in by a shoulder roller some day, kid.

Your trainer is ass if he's telling you that the right hand is key against this particular style.

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I think a tall fighter with a longer reach than Mayweather's would have sucess landing the right hand on top of Mayweather's shoulder roll.

A smaller fight than Mayweather has no chance to land the overhand right consistently over that shoulder roll.

 

I think there's some confusion here:

Some folks are talking about the OH right as if it's just an offensive weapon. Really, in most cases, it's supposed to be a counter, over your opponent's jab. The idea of using it to get past the shoulder roll, or whatever, doesn't make much sense. Against a good opponent, you'd just get countered yourself, probably with an uppercut.

The other confusion stems from the fact that some boxers believe there are two different types of OH right. This used to make my trainer nuts, but I guess both opinions are valid. As I was trained, the true OH right is when you raise your elbow, what some people call a "Haymaker," but faster, shorter, & more controlled. It typically comes down at a slight angle, and is primarily thrown over your opponent's jab. Also after your own jab or even a rt-hook.

Oscar's training is obviously in the other camp, calling the "lower" punch (as in that earlier clip) an OH right. (Because the fighter drops his left shoulder, maybe?) To me, and I think to most people, that's a cross.
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If you want to see the OH right done well, watch Marciano, or Tommy Hearns. (Hearns-Duran!) Tyson on occasion, and also big George.

Deontay Wilder throws a mean OH right as well, though I think he needs to shorten it up a little before he steps up in competition. Also, Wilder is one of the rare fighters that throws an OH purely as an offensive weapon. (sometime without even setting it up with a left.) This may or may not be a good thing. Time will tell.

 

Here's another way to look at it, again based on my old trainer's way of thinking:

With both the straight right and the right cross, you snap your left shoulder back. That's where a lot of the speed comes from. With the (true?) OH right, most of the force comes from the arm itself, and of course the right leg. The left shoulder doesn't quite snap back the same way, which is why this punch is not as fast.

Again, there may be different viewpoints out there, as with the "right hook" debate, but I believe the above is the general consensus among most pros.

 

So in a shorten phrase: you are saying that you agree the OH Right could be used to counter the shoulder roll?>

 

Yep. That's why Tommy Hearns will beat Floyd 100 times out of 100 times. The OHR of Hearns will be too much for any version of Floyd's shoulder roll.

 

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atsch

 

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LMMFAO. You're basing this off of you fighting someone that obvious doesn't use that technique that well or you wouldn't be landing right hands. Dumb ass.

 

How to Throw an Overhand Right


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzVJXcO8hWM:hi:

The elbow is up and there is (more or less) an ark to the punch.

In can be thrown at a distance, or "up close and personal" (see the Pacman KO) depending on ones position relative to the opponent.

It's a very powerful punch!

Understanding this isn't rocket science.

Implementing it against one of the best defensive boxers to lace em up is a different story!

 

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Read the first sentence of my post again. atsch

The shoulder roll is not an offensive move, it's a defensive move, during which your opponent is typically ready to counter. (unless he sucks.) To "get past it" you should use the shortest, fastest punches possible. - Or ideally, use body shots. (while protecting yourself against a hook or UC.)


Again, an OH right is a very difficult punch to use well, very dangerous unless you have terrific hand-speed, which is why so few fighters use it. (At the same time, because it's fairly rare, it's a great way to catch you opponent by surprise.) It used to be my secret weapon, but I was VERY fast, and I worked on that OH right constantly. I don't recommend that most novice fighters try to develop it, and I question your trainer if he's pushing you into it.

Develop a lightning-fast straight right & right cross first. Concentrate on pulling your left shoulder back. Get as much speed and snap as you can. Most important: Work them into 2 & 3-punch combos, in such a way that the whole thing is fluid & properly supported by your legs & body angle. Get this to be automatic, totally ingrained in your brain.

Get that down COLD, then maybe look at the OH punch. -And when you finally do work on the OH, make sure you practise it as a counter. Be able to move backwards & still have your back foot planted. (watch Wilder, he's amazingly good at that.) Make it as fast as possible, with AS LITTLE CURVE as possible. The best OH right is straight, not curved: More power, and less time for your opponent to counter.

In about six months, post a short video here, so we can all see your progress. I'd be very interested to see this.

 

Some of you understand Boxing.
Some of you don't.


It's painfully apparent in this thread, who does and who doesn't.

 

You don't want to get "clocked" by Butterbean!

Butterbean a "G".

 

Hell YES!

The Bean is one of my favorite boxers of all time. His skills and power were superb. He even had surprising speed, (in his very short prime) for about 3-4 rounds. If it weren't for his weight problem, he could easily have become the HW champ.

Seriously.