Will history be kind to Evander Holyfield?

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  1. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    any use is a small issue
    career/long term use is a big issue
    what the opponent is on/not on is the biggest for me - the reason i defend lance armstrongs (sporting) achievments

    holyfield loses some credit because of it, but not masses
     
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  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
    Evander Holyfield is really underrated by many today because of his 2nd career (2000-2012). Even that shot version of Holy has got some good wins over Ruiz, Rahman, Valuev (though he was robbed).

    Had he retired at 37-38 (as Lennox did), his record would have been like 38-4-1 (an undisputed CW and multiple HW champion with one of the best resumes of all time).

    Holyfield has wins over 7 different lineal HW champions - Douglas, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Tyson, Moorer and Rahman.
     
    Big Ukrainian, Mar 8, 2013
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  3. Leftsmash

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    I'm pretty sure Holyfield was 32 in 1995 when he fought Bowe (his dob is oct 1962), but for the rest of Powerpuncher's post I agree.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    PowerPuncher says:

    Bowe
    Tyson
    Buster Douglas
    Moorer
    Holmes
    Foreman
    Dokes
    Pinklon Thomas
    Rahman
    Ruiz
    Mercer
    Bean
    Alex Stewart
    Bert Cooper

    Losses: Lennox Lewis, Bowe x2, Moorer - all past prime

    Cruser

    Qawi x 2
    De Leon
    Ricky Parkey
    Ocasio
    Henry Tillman

    Correct. Holy wasn't past his prime for all of those fights. Power Puncher said he was bald, so that somehow makes him past his prime. He'd better stay away from Hagler threads.
     
    Mendoza, Mar 8, 2013
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  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
    Mendoza, Mar 8, 2013
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    The names are impressive, however when you examine the dates and shape of the opponents coming into the matches its not quite as impressive.

    Douglas was fat and out of shape.

    Foreman and Holmes were old men, and each had their share of moments.

    Bowe was 2-1 vs Holy and lost via narrow margin on points, but creamed Holy in the other two fights.

    Tyson was post prison.

    Moorer was 1-1 vs Holy.

    Since when was Rhaman any good?
     
    Mendoza, Mar 8, 2013
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  7. DrMo

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    How many lineal HW champions did Vitali beat?
     
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  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yet they're all better than anyone Vitali, Wlad and Jeffries beat
     
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  9. PetethePrince

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    When Mendoza gets into agenda-drive it just goes way over his head I think. He has always been very petty with fighters he dislikes and very defensive to the ones he does. No mystery who these fighters are.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    Has nothing to do with this tread. No worries Pete, Marciano will always edge out Holyfield in history.:deal
     
    Mendoza, Mar 8, 2013
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  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Mendoza : The names are impressive, however when you examine the dates and shape of the opponents coming into the matches its not quite as impressive.

    Douglas was fat and out of shape.

    Foreman and Holmes were old men, and each had their share of moments.

    Bowe was 2-1 vs Holy and lost via narrow margin on points, but creamed Holy in the other two fights.

    Tyson was post prison.

    Moorer was 1-1 vs Holy.

    Since when was Rhaman any good?


    You're a moron. Wlad beat Rhaman, and more convincingly than Holyfield did. Do you want to rephrase your last comment?

    The fat Douglas that Holy took the title from was far worse than several guys who Jeffries, Wlad, or Vitali beat, but that is a different thread.
     
    Mendoza, Mar 8, 2013
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  12. lufcrazy

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    You're not really comparing wlad v Rahman to holy v Rahman?
     
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  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    The reply was for power puncher who thinks the below fighters were better than anyone Wlad, Vitali, or Jeffries beat. Its BS of course

     
    Mendoza, Mar 8, 2013
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  14. lufcrazy

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    To be fair, the version of bowe and Tyson defeated by holy are better than anyone wlad, vitali or Jeffries ever beat.

    Maybe even moorer surpasses all them victims.
     
    lufcrazy, Mar 8, 2013
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  15. devon

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    Holyfield is a lock for top 5 at heavyweight. His resume is the second best at heavyweight imo . And you also have to consider when he beat Mike Tyson Holyfield was 34 years old.
    Sure Tyson wasn't as good as he was pre-Douglas but the fact remains the same Holyfield has best win over Tyson.
     
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