Oscar Weighing 145 Pounds for His Last Fight?

Boxing internet blogger? You give me too much credit kid. Just a fan of the sweet science who has a deep knowledge of the sport. And again.....I'm not here to save you or anyone else....So believe whatever makes you feel good.

And you're getting off track again knuckle head.....Are you clutching for straws because you don't like the this conversation is going? You keep reverting back to my different handles as if it's eating at you.. Let's get it all off your chest Quinc....so what do you want to know about JD99 or KU99? I'm an open book.:yep

I'm well aware of what slander and libel means kid.....But are we going to get off topic and talk about law and ethics or are we going to talk about boxing? Either way I'm more than happy to help you out...but you seem to be HOT at me for whatever reason. I don't think your in a good place to listen and learn. But I'm a nice guy....I'll be glad to guide you if you ask.

If you want to know how it feels to be banned off an internet website I think you really don't have the faculties to think critically. Before you talk about the defiinition of words like slander....try looking up the word banned...or ban...since your so interested in the meaning.

 

Pac was an enormous and I do mean JCC jr level enormous below 122. He missed weight twice at 112, and had to skip 118 because he was growing too big. At 122, he was a phenom. He could rehydrate back up and be bigger, faster, and more powerful than anybody at the weight. I mean a true athletic phenom, like Prime Mike Tyson or 168 lb Roy Jones. He was struggling to make 126, and after the rematch with JMM at 130(win or lose) he planned on moving up. Even after he KO'd Hatton, when Roach was asked whether he'd go back down to 135, he said no. Pac couldn't make the weight. Dude was huge lol.

His climb in weight is extremely overrated, but that has nothing to do with how great he is.

 

If you're walking around weight is 142 then you're a natural welterweight.

How can you not understand that. atsch

 

Would I be wrong to say I agree with you?

 

Lovely way to simplify it. So, then you agree Vargas was a natural LtHW/CW, while Hatton was a natural MW/SprMW.

Look man, there's more to it then making a blanket statement like this. Goes back to the discussion of youth vs. experience.

So back to your stellar example, if you walk around at 142, then you think that particular fighter is a natural WW, as opposed to a natural jrWW? :huh

 

The flaw with your argument is that Pac wasn't walking around out of shape. at 142. Hatton and Vargas were out of shape blowing up. Huge difference.

 

I understand that, but that was never in the equation. Thse guys make blanket statements which, as proven, are a fallacy to stick to.

 

ethics?

were talking about money here. ethics is a moral issue as opposed to slander and libel, which can be punishable by punitive damages under tort law, that fall under a false statement that causes harm.

if you knew anything about the "fifth estate" you would also know something about errors and emmisions insurance and why public figures routinely sue other public figures as well as media outlets that speak the untruth.

the likelihood of freddie roach not actually seeing the iv in hoyas arm is pretty slim.

and the probablity is large enough for someone like "kirk" to no longer contest the allegation.

debating with someone that has been banned from an internet website is deaming enough let alone said person using taunting emoticons, condescending language and name-calling.

seriously, you were banned here at esb and you came back?

its a general understanding that when you are banned from somewhere youre not welcome or wanted.

please, dont be pathetic. go to a place where youre wanted if a place so exists.

 

Of course he not. That whole "Pac is a little guy" talk is horse****. He had a size advantage in pretty much all fights below 135

 

And then ask for catch weights when he did move up, and when he started to get touched too much, he starts picking on smaller guys to come to his weight and fight, Manny never went into a fight without handicapping his opponents somehow, or having clear advantages over them. And people think there wasn't a catch weight for the oscar fight:roll:

 

Exactly. I respect Pac for what he has done but I just didn't get caught up in the smoke and mirrors once he moved up in weight. I'd always knows he was a natural junior welter at least. The hype was just so out of control and people were all over it

 

Are you going to provide ANY proof about Pac holding DLH to a rehydration clause? You said there was a link or something on it. Care to share?

 

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His frame was never as small as made out.

 

Probably becuz he knew everyone would think very little of him for beating a former featherweight, now lightweight jumping up weight classes

Joe Louis did the same thing against Billy Conn, he didn't want to weigh more than 200lbs, and we know what happened in that fight

 

Slander is unethical if proven true. You're talking about money, law, ethics and the punitive damages that go along with that particular topic. I'm only being reactive since you brought it into the convo.

The chances of Freddie actually seeing an IV sticking out of DLH's arm where NO ONE else did is highly unlikely kid.

If you have a moral stance against debating with someone online who has admitted to being banned is on you. It's an interesting stance but to each his own. It's especially interesting since you have no idea why I was banned. But something tells me your very interested in knowing.

And I'm sorry if the emoticons offends you. I like the pretty colors and how they "pop" in my posts. I'm a visual person. And the name calling.....I guess you are fine when it's you doing the name calling but for whatever reason don't like it when directed at you. Typical.

Don't be such a wet tampon kid.....Bans on ESB usually aren't for life and people like you need someone like me to help you out with things you struggle to comprehend. i bet you'd like to ban me too....but it wouldn't be to your benefit. You are gaining something from this one sided debate whether you like it or not.