Does Hopkins' Victory Say More About Hopkins, or About Modern Boxing?

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is it that B-Hop is THAT great, or are all around him merely that bad?

    Certainly he deserves massive credit for doing what he did last night, not trying to take that away from him.

    Still...........I mean come on, who the **** is Tavoris Cloud?
     
  2. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Both.

    Cloud is mediocre at best.
    Just a puncher-plodder without much skills in a shallow division.


    Hop can't deal with certain styles anymore, he can't beat elite fighters anymore, he's not a great light heavyweight.

    But he is still good at spoiling, outboxing and beating limited opponents.

    Hop's longevity is outstanding.
     
  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Hopkins is a legend. Bow down.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's a division in transition. It's not a very good division. Now try to imagine a forty-eight year old grabbing #1 contendership at welterweight or curiserweight and you see that it is the division rather than the era.
     
  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    How old is Randall Bailey? He beat Mike Jones :lol:
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    experience is underrated and Hopkins maintains condition like Vitali and Vlad so the body is always in condition to get into condition I think this adds up to longevity which allows an older fighter to have the physical necessities to exhibit the vast experience they have....very few have been able to maintain...Hopkins really did not have many wars early on either but the answer to your question is both
     
  8. Coq

    Coq Sodomizer Full Member

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    38. Hopkins is 48.
     
  9. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

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    Lester hit the nail on the head. A bit of both.
     
  10. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both. But put Hopkins in another era and you'd cut several years off that career. Taking the BHop route by fighting once a year against mostly less than imposing opponents would have resulted in Archie Moore knocking guys out well into his 50s.
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    As others have said, it is a combination of a transitional division, and Hopkins realy being that great.

    Another factor is that Hopkins is realy good at identifying the key contenders that he can beat.

    Since he lost the middleweight title he has moved about picking the titles that fell into the right hands. He made a miscalculation with Calzaghe, but apart from that he was right on every single one.
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Hopkins would school Moore at a catch of age 47.
     
  13. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    do you think he believed he could beat dawson or that he was simply forced into that one?
     
  14. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know you didn´t ask me, but I think he believed that he could beat Dawson.....
     
  15. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Cloud is an entertaining pressure fighter and solid puncher, but he's limited as some posters have already said. Hopkins was the superior technician and out thought him.

    By all rights he's not even world champion anymore, because Campillo schooled him a while back and got robbed. In saying that I cant think of another who' been able to perform the way Hopkins has at his age, not even the great Archie Moore.

    Even if Cloud would have been no more than a mediocre contender in stronger light-heavyweight days, Hopkins performances are awe inspiring, and they deserve a lot of credit. We'll never see the likes of him again.