Pacquiao of the Cotto fight beats Mayweather

You say it's a big deal bc Pac made it look like it wasnt a big deal. Reverse time and everybody on here was amazed at what Pac was doing. Now he's been at WW for so many years ppl have just gotten used to. Fact is what he did by jumping to WW and blowing out Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Margo in a span of 2 years is an amazing accomplishment for a former flyweight. If if it's not a "big deal" why has no else done it?

Ortiz is a b-level fighter. He was telegraphing jabs when he got caught with this punch. Pacquiao would never come in like that. He operates behind feints and head movement, and Floyd is ultra-sensitive to feints. He's the most reactive fighter on defense in boxing. That's why he's so good at not getting hit. Pacquiao would have him covering up a lot and Floyd would get spanked for it.

 

Output wouldnt do any good especially getting countered. Plus his punch out put is not the same and any opponent with any kind of movement a la JMM, Bradley and even Shane Mosley confuses him so in all get off the nuts.

 

Beating #3 and #4 ranked welters and unranked welters just isn't a big deal to me. Certainly not enough when you consider the hype around Pac involved.

 

The problem with Ortiz was he completely ignored the fundamentals of proper footwork. His toe was never his compass, and he never made an effort to get his lead foot outside. Floyd is pretty good at neutralizing a southpaw jab, but JMM does that whole changing of the levels and gets torque into his looped overhand right.

Shame this fight didn't happen when it was hot. I wanted to see how Floyd would deal with that straight left.

 

Pacs a great fighter, 2nd best of his era. Floyds the best hands down, pac is to wild, he would get countered to death. Don't worry they will fight and Floyd will stop him and hopefully you will go away after that happens:hi:

 

Sounds alot like Manny Pacquiao, no?

 

Neither guy deserves to be credited with a fantasy victory over the other for the simple reason that it was all there for them to make it happen in reality & neither fighter did ****, they completely embarrassed themselves & the entire sport & will go down as the most disappointing elite level boxers of all time.

Morales, Barrera & Marquez are the fighters of the era IMO.

 

Floyd isn't a mover. He's quite often the opposite. He plants his feet a lot and stays behind a tight guard. He never moves laterally, and he always walks towards a southpaws left hand.

Add to that like I said Floyd is over-reactive to punches and sensitive to feints. As result he spends a lot of time covering up and having his back on the ropes. Not a good look against Pacquiao.

Floyd stopping Pacquiao today wouldn't mean anything. I'd pick Floyd to beat him today. Prime for prime, different story.

 

Even as a Mayweather fan, I can agree with this. This is exactly why negotiations should be completely devoid of emotions.

"I hate Floyd! Let's embarrass the **** out of him by demanding a 10 million per pound overweight penalty"- Arum

"Well I got something for yo ass! Steroid testing, bitches!!!" -Mayweather

"Oh ****" -Manny Pacqiuao


It's all really gay.

 

Floyd stopping Pacquiao today wouldn't mean anything. I'd pick Floyd to beat him today. Prime for prime, different story.[/quote]

Floyd at 130 would have beat the **** out of Pac, the floyd that beat gatti would **** pac up. Prime for Prime yes different story a worse beating than now

 

It sucks that it will always be speculated whether Pacquiao or Mayweather would have won if they ever fought.

 

And Pac would have beaten Gatti as much or worse then Floyd had. So bc Floyd puts a whooping on a shot Arturo Gatti, he whoops Pac? Think about what your saying and come back to reality. Who has Floyd even fought close to Pacquiao's level?

 

The trouble with concentrated feinting is that

A) It's not instinctive; Pac did a ton of feinting in the fourth JMM fight and was still there to be hit whenever Juan let his hands go.

B) It lowers your own punch output; If you worrying about confusing the other fighter instead of attacking, you'll confuse yourself just as much.

C) It's a waste of energy. Manny Paquiao looked amazing for the first couple of rounds in that last fight, but by the end, his own speed advantage had been severely diminished.

If Pac can't overwhelm Floyd with sheer, authentic activity, he just is not winning.

Period.

 

Your kidding right? Are you trying to say Pac is hard to read??? The entire reason he got KO'd is that JMM knew exactly what was coming. Show me a good Pac performance and I will show you an opponent who has been physically dominated via speed, power and stamina. Feinting and deception are WEAKNESSES for Pac, not strengths. Head movement??? Pacquiao??? He moves his head forwards and backwards when he's attacking because it's attached to his neck.

On the other side of that equation, anticipation is probably Mayweather's best asset. He may flinch a few times at feints early in a fight but answer two questions:

1. What fighter is harder to hit than Mayweather?
2. What fighter lands a higher percentage of "clean" accurate punches than Mayweather?

He anticipates what his opponent will do better than any other fighter. That's the only reason his defense is so good and why he gets so many clean shots.

 

Point is that was prime floyd, pac would stand no chance, Zero:shock:. Also i have a feeling as soon as pac retires or even before we will find out Ariza was putting something in his shakes:hi:so pac prime is questionable