the 6'1" BHop against the great L-HWs (that he IS)...

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  1. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just a little annoyed with all the 'purposefull' refusal to except certain historical documented records, reports and quite simply FACTS!!!

    BHop (and MOST of his contempoaries), fighting UP at the weight they would have been fighting at in greater era's and periods in boxing, in BHops case that would have been a L-HW cum HW.

    how does he fair against them...

    Loughran
    Rosenbloom
    Conn
    Lesnevich
    Mills
    Maxim
    Charles
    Moore
    Johnson and so on,

    feel free to include the HW's if you wish, if you DARE.

    this is the REAL comparison and questions. he was/is a L-HW and infact before the 90's there was barely a MW taller than 5'10".

    so follow the greats, compare on even terms and veiw likely outcomes in an honest scenario.
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He do fine, but struggle with fighters who threw 100+ punches per round.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I preferred him as a mw tbh.
     
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  4. the cobra

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    He made 160 easy in his prime, usually weighing in several pounds lighter, and would always have been able to get to 160. A big middleweight to be sure, and in a busier era, he'd have plenty of fights above the limit and up at 175, he wouldn't be able to stay at MW to the age of 40 (the cut was starting to get to him by then even in his own era), but he'd find himself competing at Middleweight for long spells even if you threw him back in the 40's.
     
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  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    He'd struggle with Charles. Beats the rest. Conn, Rosenbloom, etc. would all get Pavlik'd :smoke
     
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  6. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NO, Nah, Not Likely!

    this is the piont of the thread, he would do as everyone else did then, and he'd have been a L-HW.

    so these are the kind of matches to truely ask about his capabilty and greatness, does he cut it in the end?

    well, there's a whole career we've all just witnessed full of smaller opponents and lesser ones too. So it's much harder for me to throw him to the sharks!
     
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  7. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know about that. I think he Pavlik'd Pavlik because the difference in experience. He wouldn't of had that advantage over them fellas.
     
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  8. Jorodz

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    respectfully disagree sir :D charles takes him, and clearly. i'd also favour johnson, loughran and conn (the latter by a wide margin).

    maxim could outjab him but that's 50/50
     
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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :blood
     
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  10. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray Robinson was 5'11' as a welterweight. Ezzard Charles was a 6' middleweight, and Conn was 6'1". Jose Basora was a career middleweight at 6'. Off the top of my head. Anyway Hopkins is still an atg and would do as well as anybody.
     
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  11. Jorodz

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    maxim had a fantastic jab, possibly better than hops whose jab i thought was a bit overrated.
     
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  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I don't see it as a battle of the jabs at all. Maxim had no problem getting into an ugly inside fight and Hopkins is leagues ahead there. I'd favour him fairly marginally actually.
     
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  13. jont

    jont Active Member Full Member

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    he would still lose to Roy Jones...we dont have to go that far back to find some lightheavies to beat him
     
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  14. Jorodz

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    that's fair, if hopkins can turn the fight into one that he wants he has the clear edge. not entirely sure he can take maxim's jab away though
     
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  15. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ike Williams was about 5'10 as a LW, SO.

    we're NOT talking about the Exceptions here, as the thread clearly stresses. MOST, not necessary all, MOST, accepting there is an exception, MOST, the MAJORITY...

    MOST Middleweights were 5' 10" or less in the 1940's, Hop & Co would be a weight or two UP, Fact.
    Fighting UP except it, UP just like MOST all the other L-HW's then - 5' 11 - about 6' 1" typically. the MAJORITY, NOT the odd exception.

    So don't be scared let BHop fight his historical peers as the L-HW that he is, Oh and keep in mind he would have had to handle the odd HW too, Yikes!
     
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