Better ring IQ - Hopkins, Mayweather or Marquez?

Marquez took a long time to fix his vulnerability to left hooks

 

A long time? Like when exactly?

He got caught from Katsidis in an exchange Hopkins and Floyd would never need to get into because of their height and reach. He rarely got hit flush after that 3rd round. His right hand is usually stuck to his face pretty well.

 

manny put him on his ass in their second fight with a short left also. It wasn't until after Katsidis that Marquez got his **** together and stopped getting KD by hookks

 

Marquez decides to back straight up two more times after it was a major cause for why manny knocked him down the initial time in the first round of their first fight.

Floyd and Hopkins would never repeat a tactical mistake like that, allowing themselves to be down three times in one round because of it. They defend much better under fire.

 

Whoefully underprepared punching bag LOL. You're talking about the guy that was the #1 welterweight, the iron chinned Margarito who was coming off a win over Cotto. He wasn't a punching bag until Mosley turned him into one.

Oh yeah let's act as if 12 rounds of getting punched by Floyd didn't affect Mosley at all and he was the same before and after the fight. atsch

Mosley was a threat and he showed it in the 2nd round.

Marquez's defense has always been quite poor. One of his most dominating performances was against Terdsak Jandaeng and it was a great display of combination punching but Marquez kept getting hit by Jandaeng's left hand over and over again until his right eye was almost swollen shut.

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Well first off, a straight left hand from a southpaw isn't the same angle as a left hook from an orthodox fighter.

I think it's even more impressive that after getting dropped 3 times by a puncher like Manny, the straight left hand almost never lands flush again over 12 rounds. There is an immediate difference from round 1 to round 2. Casamayor's straight left almost never landed and he's more conventionally skilled than Manny. Same with Jaendang or Jaca's.

Floyd got hit by Cotto's left jab over the course of the whole fight. Even when he was beating down Judah, he would get caught with flush straight lefts. Those are two shots I haven't seen Floyd "take away" like he has straight right hands, left hooks, southpaw right hooks, right jabs, and uppercuts which are never a problem to begin with.

Floyd lets himself get backed up over and over. Even in the rounds he won against DLH, he rarely looked good because he simply didn't circle like he did in the first round. I've never seen him adapt by choosing to circle an opponent after they back him up. It's odd how he only feels comfortable letting shots go if you're right in front of him. Marquez got rushed backwards in one round, but neither he nor Hopkins have ever backed up over and over in the course of a fight like this:

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It wasn't so consistent in the Ortiz fight but it's another example:

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Some of this points to ring generalship and skill more than IQ, but it does speak to a difference in adaptability when two of them can neutralize the punching angle and consistently control the center of a ring in a way Floyd rarely does.

"Poor" you can't call it. Whenever he gets offensively minded, he takes risks and takes a punch to get in range set up better ones. But it's rare he gets hit flush more than twice in a row.

 

Mayweather, Hopkins, Marquez

Distance between may, and Hopkins is small. Gave it to may - he does is craft cleaner, hop's is sneaky, and a bit dirtier.

Marquez is there, but more of a reactional thing, rather than him setting the pace.

The other two are dictators

 

Floyd, the Ortiz KO was classic.

 

Dude look at the picture above, Jandaeng landed plenty of left hands.

Then you haven't seen the Corrales and Castillo fights.

It's not that rare at all.

 

Great defense displayed by floyd there. Picked off all of oscar's shots and snuffed the body attack under his elbows.

Floyd backs up occasionally. There is nothing wrong with backing straight if you can get out of range + he had his defense up.
A lot of people backs up with their hands down and walking str8 back, of course that is risky.

If you see Floyd's footing, he stays in position to counter and is looking to counter with his eyes on the target the whole time. He was fully aware of the situation.

 

Bingo!

 

If Floyd did that back up **** against Margarito, he would have a loss.

PERIOD.

 

Floyd has an all time great defensive guard, but that's not the issue. He ate Oscar's jab and completely lost control of the center in like 3 seconds flat. Slickstar was making a critique of Marquez relative to Hopkins and Floyd because of the way he backed up against Manny in the first round of the first fight, which he corrected in the next round, and I responded by highlighting that Floyd has never adapted to an opponent that rushes him by circling as well as Hopkins or Marquez do. He backs up for rounds at a time. He has the defense to compensate for it, but whenever he gets tagged or drops a round, many times it's due to that habit. So when we're talking Ring IQ and adaptability, that factors in. That's all. I'm not trying to say Floyd's style is ineffective or that he doesn't have one of the highest Ring IQ's today because that would be nonsense.

Did you watch the fight or are you basing it off of his eye? Because his eye swelled pretty bad in Diaz 2 and that was a clinic.

Marquez made a conscious decision at this point in time to get into exchanges more frequently to stay marketable as he was chasing a Pacquiao rematch. He is a master at fighting southpaws and neutralizing their left straights. His defense isn't ATG but it's not poor.

The Corrales fight Floyd showed great footspeed going in and out. His best showing of lateral movement. But it's not the trend of how he operates with his feet. Augustus, Cotto, Hatton, DLH, Chavez show a consistent habit of planting his feet to get his shots off and backing up linearly.

If it weren't rare he would have been stopped by now. You don't beat Barrera, Salido, Pacquiao, Diaz, and Casamayor with "poor" defense.

 

That just shows how much of a biased ***** you are if you actually believe that.
Sure he was a prime monster coming into that fight and Floyd beat the prime right of him..... thats what you are actually saying there right?

:tired seriously how ****ing dumb are you.

For the record Forrest inflicted FAR more damage on Mosely than Floyd could dream of, but i'm sure that did not affect him..... the Mosely that had look terrible except for the 1 guy that was tailor made for him was the defining point of when he was prime.....especially after a 16 month layoff.

 

Yeah i saw that. Happens to everyone. It is damn near impossible to not get hit. Marquez adapts well too, usually the punches he get caught early, he'll eventually adapt to avoid it. In the heat of an exchange everyone is bound to get caught. Personally i feel Marquez is a bit top heavy. Big upperbody and small legs.