A question for those that rank Barrera over Morales.....

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Would you still rank Marco over Erik if their 3rd fight never took place & the rest of their careers went exactly as they did ?
     
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    Probably not.
     
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  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    No deal. That was Marco's most valuable win in my book. It solidified his legacy.
     
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  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    That`s why I rank Morales over Barrera (not a lot in it though) I thought that was a razor close fight, certainly not enough to swing anything Barrera`s way as far as ranking goes over Morales... the HBO team were disgraceful in Barrera`s favour (same in all 3 fights actually though they were extreme in the 3rd fight)

    The British commentary like Morales & Barrera about equally & their opinion on the fight was more realistic, some had it even & some had it no more than a point either way.
     
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    He's not though, even with that win.
     
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  6. Flea Man

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    Would you rank Morales over Barrera if Morales didn't beat Paquiao?
     
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    My point is should a fight like that, a very close fight if we are being truthful, be enough to rank Barrera over Morales ?... especially if you think Morales has had the better career outside of the trilogy.
     
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  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    We're all entitled to our opinions...just ours differ, that's all.

    You rank Morales over Barrera because you like him more, Bill. No more, no less. It's fine.

    It was relatively close, but I thought the winner was pretty clear. MAB was the underdog, he was at a new weight, and he beat a fellow ATG who was coming off impressive performances when he himself was being dismissed as past it.

    So yeah, a win like that really does make the difference. For me, it makes the difference between MAB being a great fighter or an ATG fighter.
     
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    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Bill, should a win over Pablo Cano be the difference instead? Or should a closely fought contest against Maidana, but one Morales ultimately lost, be the difference?
     
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    I didn't think it was particularly close. Very competitive but MAB was clearly better. In my opinion.

    MAB had a very good FW tenure. He has the distinction of being the only man to beat the then no.1 126lber in the World and one of the hardest P4P punchers of the time. No one else managed that. Morales did beat Pacquiao but then if that's such a big distinction then do we hold Marquez over all of 'em? Because I don't and I'm sure you'd like to maintain 'El Terrible' is greater than JMM as well.
     
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  11. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    And everything else remained the same ?... yes, but only very slightly, the big difference being I scored the first 2 fights for Morales though & most scored the first 2 fights 1-1.
     
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  12. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I agree, I rank Erik a little ahead of Marco as things are but I get the feeling that the majority that do have MAB ahead do so because they felt he proved superiority in the trilogy, I don`t see it that way but some do.
     
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  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I do like him more, I also like him more than Chavez, Sanchez, Pep, Duran & Leonard, but I don`t rank him over any of them because they were greater fighters than Erik. I`m just pointing out that its crazy to rank one guy over another based on one fight between the two, a fight that no true superiority was shown, just like it wasn`t in two previous meetings between said fighters.

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  14. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Okay, so let's put more weight in the Pablo Cano win...and the Maidana performance. :good
     
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  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Morales has a solid claim to be the 2nd best SBW ever behind Gomez, Barrera (nor JMM) can say the same in any weight class they competed in.

    For the record, I rank EM, MAB & JMM all on the same level. None of these men are clearly ahead of the other two IMO.
     
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