Confirmation - St Pierre has the most technically sound top game in world MMA

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  1. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    The UFC could actually do that though. Can you imagine if they did? **** just got real...

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  2. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yea. But people who couldn't handle it would refuse to fight in Japan. People who found that it benefited their abilities(like Mousasi who would be able to up kick people who tried to grapple **** him) would only agree to fight their best opponents in Japan. I'm fine with it, but I doubt the UFC would be.
     
  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Refuse? I don't think thats a word in the UFCs vocabulary. :bart
     
  4. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sure it is. People refuse to take fights all the time. Sometimes DW comes down hard on them, sometimes he doesn't say a word. Depends on how much money they make him, vs how much they cost him by denying a fight. They need to just move to a 4 sided ring with a bottom limiter so they don't slide out of the bottom ropes. Won't happen though.
     
  5. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Combining someone as physically strong as GSP with someone who knows how to technical enforce that strength like GSP leads to a tough 5 rounds. Diaz had absolutely nothing for GSP. His boxing is sloppy but enforces it through tough man antics. In MMA, I expect him to usually get away with it in MMA but be punished in boxing where a tough man approach won't make a boxer cower. I did expect more of a threat from Nicks Jits. I didn't think GSP would be able to do so much damage without the fear of a submission. I thought it would be slightly more boring as he'd control him more.
     
  6. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    I think Joe Rogan called it in the first round

    St Pierre was just doing what he had to do to control, striking was secondary in this capacity
     
  7. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    As good as Penn is from his back I felt/feel Diaz should have worked St Pierre a lot more than Penn did or was potentially going too.

    Long lims and schooled in offensive JJ by CG, Penn and Diaz are different grapplers in this respect, as talented as they are, their different

    I felt Diaz was more suited to test GSP's control from the top, he didn't, i was shocked ......... thats all i have to say!
     
  8. KERRIGAN

    KERRIGAN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perhaps people need to re-assess how "good", Diaz's boxing is.

    Basically he doesn't possess an uppercut(why FFS???), so GSP had nothing to fear with going for a takedown.

    Interesting that GSP looked less roided up for this fight, then he was for the Condit fight.

    Also, with Diaz shunning weight training, is it any wonder he has poor take down defence, because he is like a rubber man.

    Not sure if there is anything to Diaz's funny comment about lacking motivation or not, but he doesn't appear to have much to offer against a strong wrestler and once again, there was no evidence that his cardio was better than his opponent.
     
  9. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Diaz let himself down, he didn't throw a lead uppercut once in the fight and he has that in his locker, he bombarded Paul Daley with lead uppercuts its not like he can't throw the shot!

    I believe Nick Diaz was beaten before he entered the cage, and the apparent mental break down during fight week confirmed that he just didn't prepare for this fight properly.

    He was walking around the cage with his hands down like he was walking in the park, not even breathing hard, can you imagine what this kid is capable of with a straight head?
     
  10. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It'd be great if he actually did something, but he just lays and prays and burns out the clock.
     
  11. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Guard passing, advancing position, side control ............... ????
     
  12. dillinja

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    Yeah and then doesn't strike or go for a sub from these superior position, gsp is a great fighter but he is not exciting to watch he does what he needs to do to win and thats the sport but it doesn't mean he is entertaining.
     
  13. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    thats what i took away from yesterday.. i mean hes a gracie barra black belt so it should be no surprise but it was obvious early on that gsp's jiu jitsu had been seriously overlooked. i was genuinely shocked at how well he controlled diaz who is a known positional escape artist..
     
  14. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    After July 6th he wont
     
  15. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did the best he could with what Diaz gave him. He'd roll under and was pinning the opposite side wrist. There's no way for Diaz to attack from there (well, there's the leg attacks but as Diaz said, GSP saw that coming every time) but it also limited the power that GSP could put into his punches. So he took what was available; total control with no risk for weaker punches with no leverage. When Diaz wasn't in that position and GSP was in his guard, GSP landed with some good elbows. If Diaz had stayed on his back and gone for a greater variety of subs, he'd have been open to harder GNP. It takes two folks....