Jean Pascal has hired Angel Heredia for the Bute fight

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  1. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    And you're here trying to save our souls?? :lol:

    God would sure be proud of your behavior in this thread. :hey:hey
     
  2. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    That's it?


    I've blown every argument you've tried to make about JMM being on PEDs away, and you're taking it hard. You got anything new?

    Far too intelligent for you, so you go down the route of personal attacks. Same as every other witless cretin on this forum. :roll:
     
  3. ROACH

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    Blown every point?

    You're a ****ing idiot.

    What points have you blown?

    Here's your dumbass argument: "Yes, I know he's more cut than he's ever been and has striations in his shoulders, but that's only natural."

    While I say, I didn't say anything about the way he looks, while supicious, what makes me believe he was on PEDs was the insurmountable evidence, and the fact that he had a 4 month long training camp as a 38 year old man.

    Not only that, Marquez has absorbed a NUMBER of beatings in his career. His defense is not the best and never has been. Pacquaio gave him a concussion in the ring, yet Marquez was unfazed.

    Not to mention that fact that he hired a steriod dealer, but tried to hide his identity initially. And the fact that he was obviously jealous that Pacquaio was a bigger star.

    Add to the fact that Marquez looked like pure **** against Kastidis and Fedchnekno, but magically appears like a new man against Pacquaio.

    Add to the fact that smaller division guys RARELY have the type of longevity espoused by Marquez, a man who taken a signficant amount of punishment in his career.

    And yes, all signs point to PED use.

    So Heredia should be banned from the sport. He specializes in making undetectable PEDs.

    That alone should ban him from sports.

    But you stuck Marquez dick so hard because you're a young kid that doesn't understand how the body works, that you can't even think right.
     
  4. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pascal and Bute said they were trying to implement random testing for this fight so the conspiracy theorists can chill.
     
  5. Smokin' Joe

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    The problem is though, 90% of this is complete bull****.


    I've pointed out many times, his body is not that much different than it has been in the past. His cuts are all the same around the midsection and chest etc. The only differences are in his shoulders and to a lesser extent, biceps. Again, doing weight training to specifically build your shoulders, over a 4 month period, is going to have an effect. This is training he hasn't done before Heredia was introduced.

    You're telling me an elite athlete can't build that kind of shoulder muscle with 4 months intensive training? Please.

    And don't give me the 'But he's 39!!' line. For the umpteenth time, he was in incredible shape at 37 years old before Heredia came along. Age is not relevant for certain fighters who are lucky with their genetics.


    Also, if you're on PEDs, you would not require a 4 month camp to build that kind of muscle, given the recovery benefits they provide. The normal 8-10 week camp would suffice.



    Again, his performance against Katsidis was a clinic apart from the knockdown he took. If you thought he looked like **** in that fight, you need to watch a different sport.


    Yes, he had a concussion against Pacquiao. Bradley just went 10 rounds with a concussion. Juan is well known for being one of the most resilient fighters in modern boxing and one of the quickest to recover after knockdowns etc. This includes his later fights at 36, 37 years old.

    So, you saying him being resilient and recovering well against Pacquiao proves he's on PEDs is one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard, and leads me to further believe you know little about the sport, quite frankly.


    Literally the only 'evidence' anyone has, is Heredia's past, which is indeed regretful. People like to mention his 'undetectable' PEDs. Sure, they may have been undetectable 8 years ago when he testified, but testing was far behind then what it is now. Given that he's working with several boxers now, and more acquiring his services all the time, I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being, until proven guilty.

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    Anyway, moral of the story is you don't appear to know **** about the sport, or anything else. Most people here seem to think you're a witless troll and you don't bring anything to the forum besides bitter rants and endless whining. So why don't you do us all a favour and jog on, there's a good lad.:good
     
  6. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whats the point of any testing if certain people can, and previously have, had drugs that are undetectable by current tests?
     
  7. ROACH

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    LOL at Marquez having B HOP genetics.

    LOL.

    I'm sorry, but that's just too much. Not only that, but he took MULTIPLE ass whuppings in his career.

    How many ass whuppings has B Hop taken?
     
  8. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what do you want? No testing at all? Open bar?
     
  9. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    :deal
     
  10. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yes it can. First thing he can do is fix his relaxation and breathing in the ring
     
  11. ROACH

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    He ain't a scared less than amateur like you.

    Mother ****er is a pro. His problem is too much movement and not enough skill.
     
  12. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    He has to much muscle mass who consume tones of energy. How do you fix that ?
     
  13. Smokin' Joe

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    Froch, Martinez etc haven't taken beatings?

    Even Barrera was still getting into wars and surviving when he was older and clearly past it.

    Your logic is so, so flawed.
     
  14. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Most of his problem is his temperament. He's like Berto who is obsessed with their explosiveness and use up too much energy and is too tense. He'll always gas out if he doesn't fix that. But he can improve his overall conditioning.
     
  15. irishny

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    Pascal is alwasy in incredible shape in his fights.