Prime Edwin Valero vs prime Ricky Hatton?

Hatton's 140lb power was greater than Valero's 135lb power straight-up & pound for pound. You can argue Valero's power at 130lbs was greater pound for pound but the fact is that it wasn't really proven against elites. Like most everything to do with Valero, a lot of it was myth & exaggeration/wishful thinking by his fans.

I get why people were excited by him. Fast hands, aggressive, scored a lot of quick knockouts on the way up. I also get how deluded those qualities can make simple-minded fans who are too eager to blow such things up beyond their proportionate worth and make an idyllic figure of someone who at their best was a good (not great, never even in the ballpark) fighter.

 

Explain how Hatton destroys Valero, stylistically. Don't give me the weight sh*t

 

Valero was an excellent boxer who stopped giving a **** long before he died. When he was in his very short prime and fully dedicated, he was special.

Him and Pac would have had at least three fights.

 

Dude, I get the point about the quality of opposition Valero lack but it only remains simple as this. He's got the real POWER, this ain't a joke. Valero will 'probably' lose to alot of skilled 135-140 fighters (he'll probably lose to Guzman too should they have meet), but definitely not Hatton. Hatton will move forward face-first against Valero (like he usually does) and Valero will literally KILL him.

 

Take Eddie's putrefied **** out of your mouth.

Hatton - even if they were the same size - was ALL wrong for Valero.

Nobody had ever confronted Valero with quite the same pressure tactics and swarming that Hatton utilized, as well as he used them. Not DeMarco, not Mosquera, not Pitalua. He was able to KO1 a bunch of tomato cans, and to use a mixture of boxing and hard combination punching against those he faced superior to his early tomato can diet. None of what he was comfortable or experienced using in the ring was going to serve him against prime Ricky Hatton.

Hatton was too big. Even leaving that aside, even if he wasn't too big, he's just the far better fighter p4p, more effective at a higher level. Valero had a more conventional boxer-puncher style and did a few more things "correctly" in technical terms, but he wasn't a Sweet Pea and he wasn't going to stymie Hatton with slickness or anything. Stylistically, Hatton would've kept diving through Valero's quick power flurries and shredding his body, wearing him down and ultimately grinding him to a paste.

 

Real POWER at 130lbs exclusively, if even that.

He did nothing - nothing whatsoever - at 135lbs to suggest his vaunted power in the lower division was a) ever genuinely world-class in the first place, to such a degree as his fans claim (even going as far in some instances as to say that Pacquiao would've been KTFO unconscious, early, had they met at 130!!!!!!!!!!!!! atsch) nor b) able to carry up as he added bulk. In fact, by my reckoning it was the opposite. His power diminished going up to 135. The TKO2 of Pitalua was down to styles & speed, and isn't as impressive as you may want to view it as being. He took way too long to get rid of Velasquez, and the "stoppage" of DeMarco was a corner retirement without a single knockdown after Valero spent half an hour throwing the damn kitchen sink at Tony's chin, attacking with maximum force and holding nothing back with hardly anything missing at times.

 

shouldn't be compared. WEight class difference is too big.

 

I was thinking of a similar analogy myself.
Hatton was frighteningly strong at 140,and I doubt very much a much smaller fighter without elite experience(and obviously before Hatton's decline) would be able to keep him off.

 

You can drop "weight" from that sentence.

Class difference is too big.

 

Valero wasn't that great. He had good power but once he stepped up he didn't look amazing.

Antonio Demarco isn't really a good example because he's a subpar fighter at best. A basic one two brawler who is easily beaten against a decent boxer with a good amount of power.

 

For his all time H2H standing, it was probably good that Valero died after that Demarco fight.

 

Valero knocked out a few nicaraguan goat herders and bolivian road sweepers.

Then he goes and kills himself and somehow becomes an ATG in fantasy H2H matchups?

What the actual ****?

Here's an idea, prime Hatton kills Valero. Like properly kills him to death.


For the record, this magic-man character is prime wigs ignore list fodder, starting **** like this.

 

Hatton's feet get him inside on Valero, who isn't anywhere close to being strong enough to push him off.

Hatton then grinds at EV's rib cage slowing the smaller man down and making him even more susceptible to pressure.

I really fail to see how this can be debatable.

 

Hatton was only outspeed by the best of his generation . This really is a mismatch at 140 and doesnt go past 6.

Valero drops back down to 135 after this and understands the difference between belt holder and linear champion.

 

Hatton wouldnt las 2 rds.
Valero knocks out Pac as well.